Hi Ki Wi,
You are the man, Here i want to know " attending 'bootcamp' which guarantee a one time pass." See here i do not point to anyone but my blood rise when someone pass very easily ............... without having CCIE pain. Again here i am not pointing to anyone but today i was just going through google and i found very strange thing to see the list of CCIE nt even these website there are others also!!!! VOICE , VOICE , VOICE , VOICE all back to back CCIE numbers!!!! ah ha http://www.winnetsystems.co.uk/index.php/about-us/success-stories Is it co-incidence people are passing like hell and all making back to back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This means all student are very smart!!! hmmmm why cisco is not seeing this... Think off Or atleast Cisco should say for attempting any kind of CCIE people should have 10 or 5 years core experience and take all experience letter from the organisation and check and then only allow people to book the date!!!! but everyone need money!!!! i feel AGAIN THIS EMAIL IS NOT INTEND TO ANYONE PERSONALLY AND IT IS ONLY A GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT CCIE!!!! ________________________________ From: Ki Wi <kiwi.vo...@gmail.com> To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> Cc: Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com>; "ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 2:33:11 AM Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE PASSE Firstly, i must say quite a number of ccie passed their exam by using dump or attending 'bootcamp' which guarantee a one time pass. My colleague once told me that ccie are everywhere in china, even a ex chef can become a ccie in 6 mth to 1 year time. Do you dare to employ him? A lot of them or maybe that chef just want to pass and sell their ID to gain extra 'funds' then get back to kitchen again. Those are the one who really degraded the value of ccie exam. Yes, they did put in time, money and effort but all they know is what's tested in the exam during that period. How about those inside the blueprint but not tested yet. How many of them knows it? Sent from my iPhone Pls pardon my fat fingers. On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cisco stops the practice of renting CCIE's to ensure the quality of > the work done by companies that are Silver and Gold partners. > > Secondly, economies are different across the globe, I believe that > cost of living is also quite different in all parts of the world. > > Finally, I do not think that CCIE's in Europe are making so little, a > quick google shows several jobs at higher pay by quite a large margin. > > I am sorry that you are having a difficult time finding employment and > if you truly are a CCIE my suggestion is to find a company and even if > you are over qualified, get in the door and work your way up. You > might find it rewarding and hopefully you can find a valuable > employment soon. > > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think you only thinking about USA which is 100% wrong see try to see in >> other countries like , Singapore, Malaysia, India, Europe. >> >> Singapore, Malaysia == 3000$ per month >> China , India == 1000$ per month >> Europe == 3000 Euro ==> 40% flat tax >> >> I know so many engineers getting 1000$ pay CCIE engineer GBM, dia-data lot >> of huge partners so less salary structure. BAD atleast if they are gold or >> so partner why dont cisco say to their partner that they have to pay CCIE >> specific amount!!!! as salary!!!! >> >> I am sure i cannot even count countries like Bangladesh >> >> I myself know 50 guys whos Id is associate any getting paid for CCIE but >> again ... as i said currently no one can taking it... so atleast previously >> people/companies take it and pay even there was one website who pays for the >> same but due to cisco they also have to stopped it... >> >> Concern is.. first companies do not require CCIE or atleast Cisco should >> generate some value for CCIE as they are trying to decrease the value of >> their own brand!!! but stopping all these things... because i am sure why >> cisco want to put in and see what and where ccie is doing... they need IDs >> for partner which partner is paying for it... so why cisco want to wory on >> this... >> >> Even i can see 100 of CCIE R&S without job and will even work for free if >> needed freshers CCIE R&S engineers what do u think abt that.. >> >> Cisco even do not trust CCIE guys thats why they take 6 interviews for >> them.. what do u say abt cisco taking interview for which they have only >> said that u are expert ah :) its all business... >> >> It should be worth somewhere atleast.. i understand yes it is most >> respectful certification.. >> >> THIS EMAIL IS VERY GENERAL COMMUNICATION & IT IS NOT POINTING TO ANYONE >> REPUTATION OR ANYTHING.. >> BUT TRUTH IS ITS VALUE IS REALLY DECREASED AND CISCO SHOULD TAKE SOME STEP >> TO MAKE IT UP AS THEY ARE THE BEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD. >> >> Thks >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mark L Reed <marklr...@gmail.com> >> To: adam compton <com...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com>; "ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com" >> <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> >> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 1:29:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE PASSE >> >> And I'm thrilled Cisco won't let companies just rent a CCIE ID. it gives >> opportunities for those of us that actually work for those companies and >> progress further than we could have before. >> >> It makes the CCIE even more valuable. At least here. >> Thanks, >> Mark L Reed >> On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:12 AM, adam compton <com...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have to disagree with you on the worth. First of all, the best investment >> that will give you the most return is always education. >> >> While I don't have my CCIE yet, I make pretty good money. The jobs that I >> see posted here in the US start in the 6 figures with a CCIE. In IT, it can >> be hard to get to that level of pay, but with a CCIE, it's not that bad. I >> know people without 4 year college degrees making 6 figures mostly because >> they have a CCIE. >> >> To get Silver level Cisco partnership a company has to have 2 CCIEs, to get >> Gold a company has to have 4 CCIEs. The incentive to pay a CCIE a good >> amount of money for partners is huge. >> >> Adam >> >> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Atlast i did my CCIE VOICE it was a great journey for CCIE VOICE but now i >>> understand all the tricks to pass the lab >>> >>> I got lab 2 where HQ , SB was MGCP and SC was registered to CUCM >>> >>> There is only few labs in CCIE VOICE & R&S which you have to practice and >>> if you will get great support from ....... then no one can stop you to pass >>> the lab >>> >>> There was a strange part that why cisco is not changing the lab as you can >>> see Voice CCIE is growing like a hell, i got this lab and same labs my >>> friends getting >>> >>> I totally invested more then 15000$ till now in this and what i get is >>> nothing >>> >>> Previously atleast some people buy CCIE id to get the partnership for >>> Cisco and CCIE person get some money so that atleast he know he get some 800 >>> to 1000$ per month even they do not work. (I know i know it is not valid but >>> all need money) even u or everyone!!! so the fact is fact... I even know 50 >>> people who has associated Ids and earnig but those ids people take >>> previously nt now >>> >>> But now whats the use of CCIE if even we cannot sell CCIE ID's >>> >>> I want to ask you guys.... >>> >>> Knowledge and everything is ok... i understand.. but... even u and we are >>> working for money.... the last step is funds >>> >>> What is the benefit of the guy who is passing it now.. >>> >>> The problem is i am writing very fact after so much frustration i got this >>> and i can see no value at all >>> >>> How can people pay for bootcamp 2000 to 4000$ if they cant even earn or >>> get benefit for it.. >>> >>> CCIE R&S engineer is getting in 1000$ as an employee in countries now even >>> i can see US no one considering CCIE R&S engineers >>> now i really do not want to hear about knowledge part or they copyied >>> passed no way to pass CCIE you atleast need 50% brains.. so that guy who >>> pass is nt totaly fresher cant clear any interview rounds... it is not >>> possible >>> >>> I also observed around 250 to 350 CCIE engineer pass every month... so >>> that means no future in CCIE at all >>> >>> I have tried to give the interview in Cisco and they were asking hell >>> amount of basic questions in interview >>> My question is WHY why they even can take CCIE interview it is thier >>> highest degree they shld nt even take the interview for CCIE >>> >>> 95% people i can see struggling of CCIE R&S why!!! >>> >>> I am really sorry if someone felt bad... >>> >>> Regard >>> Suz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit >www.ipexpert.com
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