You guys have a lot time. I prefer to focus on my studying of CCIE/CCDE, instead of wasting my time to discuss this. Faint...... A stupid ppl raise the topic, we do not need to follow him.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Ki Wi <kiwi.vo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Firstly, i must say quite a number of ccie passed their exam by using dump > or attending 'bootcamp' which guarantee a one time pass. > > My colleague once told me that ccie are everywhere in china, even a ex chef > can become a ccie in 6 mth to 1 year time. Do you dare to employ him? A lot > of them or maybe that chef just want to pass and sell their ID to gain extra > 'funds' then get back to kitchen again. Those are the one who really > degraded the value of ccie exam. > > Yes, they did put in time, money and effort but all they know is what's > tested in the exam during that period. How about those inside the blueprint > but not tested yet. How many of them knows it? > > Sent from my iPhone > Pls pardon my fat fingers. > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Cisco stops the practice of renting CCIE's to ensure the quality of > > the work done by companies that are Silver and Gold partners. > > > > Secondly, economies are different across the globe, I believe that > > cost of living is also quite different in all parts of the world. > > > > Finally, I do not think that CCIE's in Europe are making so little, a > > quick google shows several jobs at higher pay by quite a large margin. > > > > I am sorry that you are having a difficult time finding employment and > > if you truly are a CCIE my suggestion is to find a company and even if > > you are over qualified, get in the door and work your way up. You > > might find it rewarding and hopefully you can find a valuable > > employment soon. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I think you only thinking about USA which is 100% wrong see try to see > in > >> other countries like , Singapore, Malaysia, India, Europe. > >> > >> Singapore, Malaysia == 3000$ per month > >> China , India == 1000$ per month > >> Europe == 3000 Euro ==> 40% flat tax > >> > >> I know so many engineers getting 1000$ pay CCIE engineer GBM, dia-data > lot > >> of huge partners so less salary structure. BAD atleast if they are gold > or > >> so partner why dont cisco say to their partner that they have to pay > CCIE > >> specific amount!!!! as salary!!!! > >> > >> I am sure i cannot even count countries like Bangladesh > >> > >> I myself know 50 guys whos Id is associate any getting paid for CCIE but > >> again ... as i said currently no one can taking it... so atleast > previously > >> people/companies take it and pay even there was one website who pays for > the > >> same but due to cisco they also have to stopped it... > >> > >> Concern is.. first companies do not require CCIE or atleast Cisco should > >> generate some value for CCIE as they are trying to decrease the value > of > >> their own brand!!! but stopping all these things... because i am sure > why > >> cisco want to put in and see what and where ccie is doing... they need > IDs > >> for partner which partner is paying for it... so why cisco want to wory > on > >> this... > >> > >> Even i can see 100 of CCIE R&S without job and will even work for free > if > >> needed freshers CCIE R&S engineers what do u think abt that.. > >> > >> Cisco even do not trust CCIE guys thats why they take 6 interviews for > >> them.. what do u say abt cisco taking interview for which they have only > >> said that u are expert ah :) its all business... > >> > >> It should be worth somewhere atleast.. i understand yes it is most > >> respectful certification.. > >> > >> THIS EMAIL IS VERY GENERAL COMMUNICATION & IT IS NOT POINTING TO ANYONE > >> REPUTATION OR ANYTHING.. > >> BUT TRUTH IS ITS VALUE IS REALLY DECREASED AND CISCO SHOULD TAKE SOME > STEP > >> TO MAKE IT UP AS THEY ARE THE BEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD. > >> > >> Thks > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Mark L Reed <marklr...@gmail.com> > >> To: adam compton <com...@gmail.com> > >> Cc: Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com>; " > ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com" > >> <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> > >> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 1:29:14 PM > >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE PASSE > >> > >> And I'm thrilled Cisco won't let companies just rent a CCIE ID. it gives > >> opportunities for those of us that actually work for those companies and > >> progress further than we could have before. > >> > >> It makes the CCIE even more valuable. At least here. > >> Thanks, > >> Mark L Reed > >> On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:12 AM, adam compton <com...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I have to disagree with you on the worth. First of all, the best > investment > >> that will give you the most return is always education. > >> > >> While I don't have my CCIE yet, I make pretty good money. The jobs that > I > >> see posted here in the US start in the 6 figures with a CCIE. In IT, it > can > >> be hard to get to that level of pay, but with a CCIE, it's not that bad. > I > >> know people without 4 year college degrees making 6 figures mostly > because > >> they have a CCIE. > >> > >> To get Silver level Cisco partnership a company has to have 2 CCIEs, to > get > >> Gold a company has to have 4 CCIEs. The incentive to pay a CCIE a good > >> amount of money for partners is huge. > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Suzie Suzie <suzie131...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Atlast i did my CCIE VOICE it was a great journey for CCIE VOICE but > now i > >>> understand all the tricks to pass the lab > >>> > >>> I got lab 2 where HQ , SB was MGCP and SC was registered to CUCM > >>> > >>> There is only few labs in CCIE VOICE & R&S which you have to practice > and > >>> if you will get great support from ....... then no one can stop you to > pass > >>> the lab > >>> > >>> There was a strange part that why cisco is not changing the lab as you > can > >>> see Voice CCIE is growing like a hell, i got this lab and same labs my > >>> friends getting > >>> > >>> I totally invested more then 15000$ till now in this and what i get is > >>> nothing > >>> > >>> Previously atleast some people buy CCIE id to get the partnership for > >>> Cisco and CCIE person get some money so that atleast he know he get > some 800 > >>> to 1000$ per month even they do not work. (I know i know it is not > valid but > >>> all need money) even u or everyone!!! so the fact is fact... I even > know 50 > >>> people who has associated Ids and earnig but those ids people take > >>> previously nt now > >>> > >>> But now whats the use of CCIE if even we cannot sell CCIE ID's > >>> > >>> I want to ask you guys.... > >>> > >>> Knowledge and everything is ok... i understand.. but... even u and we > are > >>> working for money.... the last step is funds > >>> > >>> What is the benefit of the guy who is passing it now.. > >>> > >>> The problem is i am writing very fact after so much frustration i got > this > >>> and i can see no value at all > >>> > >>> How can people pay for bootcamp 2000 to 4000$ if they cant even earn or > >>> get benefit for it.. > >>> > >>> CCIE R&S engineer is getting in 1000$ as an employee in countries now > even > >>> i can see US no one considering CCIE R&S engineers > >>> now i really do not want to hear about knowledge part or they copyied > >>> passed no way to pass CCIE you atleast need 50% brains.. so that guy > who > >>> pass is nt totaly fresher cant clear any interview rounds... it is not > >>> possible > >>> > >>> I also observed around 250 to 350 CCIE engineer pass every month... so > >>> that means no future in CCIE at all > >>> > >>> I have tried to give the interview in Cisco and they were asking hell > >>> amount of basic questions in interview > >>> My question is WHY why they even can take CCIE interview it is thier > >>> highest degree they shld nt even take the interview for CCIE > >>> > >>> 95% people i can see struggling of CCIE R&S why!!! > >>> > >>> I am really sorry if someone felt bad... > >>> > >>> Regard > >>> Suz > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please > >>> visit www.ipexpert.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please > >> visit www.ipexpert.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please > >> visit www.ipexpert.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com >
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