It is not more than CCIE voice v3.5 it is not v.4 even Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Ken Wyan <kew...@gmail.com> wrote: > There's a serious fault with this new announcement. > > We can't say this new blueprint as CCIE Collaboration & it should be CCIE > Voice version 4. CCIE Voice track should be allowed to continue with this new > v4 blueprint. > > If Cisco want to add another CCIE Collaboration Track they have to add > additional products such as WebEx Server , VCS , Telepresence MSE , > Telepresence Multipoint Switch , Telepresence Server , Telepresence Manager , > TMS & suitable endpoints. > > Then current CCIE Voice guys will be more than happy to complete their > Collaboration certification & become dual CCIEs. It will be definitely a > career advancement path for them. > > If Cisco can call this new blueprint as "CCIE Collaboration" ; why can't > they call all current voice CCIE's as Collaboration CCIEs.? > > Ken > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Mohammed Al-Assadi <m_alass...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> Ben e-mail >> >> be...@cisco.com >> >> >> >> > From: brian.sch...@vitalsite.com >> > To: rrcr...@yahoo.com; leslie.me...@lvs1.com >> > Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:29:14 +0000 >> > CC: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >> > >> > It is Ben Ng. Found his linked in profile below which describes his >> > position in Cisco. >> > >> > www.linkedin.com/pub/ben-ng/3/509/940 >> > >> > Profile on the Cisco site. >> > >> > https://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le31/communities/netpro/bios/benng.html >> > >> > Anyone have better contact info to send him respectful and thoughtful >> > arguments on this? >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com >> > [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Rrcrumm >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:11 AM >> > To: Leslie Meade >> > Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >> > >> > Ben Ng comes to mind >> > >> > On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: >> > >> > > The question is... what if anything can we do ? >> > > Where would we start.. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -------- Original message -------- >> > > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >> > > Date: >> > > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >> > > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi >> > > <vma...@ipexpert.com> >> > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially >> > > announced >> > > >> > > >> > > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >> > > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice >> > > and Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at >> > > it, it all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the >> > > name of the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice >> > > blueprint is still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a >> > > refresh of current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing >> > > another. >> > > >> > > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start >> > > over again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between >> > > the two. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake >> > > <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >> > > retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >> > > lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >> > > >> > > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >> > > first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >> > > several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so >> > > we would want official confirmation. >> > > >> > > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >> > > >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_ >> > > tracks >> > > Retired CCIE tracks >> > > >> > > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >> > > These are: >> > > >> > > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >> > > IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the >> > > StrataCom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >> > > * ISP Dial CCIE >> > > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >> > > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >> > > design tests in format and subjects examined) >> > > >> > > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >> > > provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >> > > title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >> > > >> > > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >> > > if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >> > > already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >> > > have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >> > > >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george >> > > <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > Vik, >> > > >> > > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >> > > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass >> > > Voice. If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every >> > > track, not just Voice. >> > > >> > > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >> > > or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >> > > retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >> > > days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >> > > windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no >> > > sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any >> > > other. Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than >> > > do something completely rubbish. >> > > >> > > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >> > > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted >> > > labs until Feb 2014. >> > > >> > > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >> > > decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >> > > forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams >> > > so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >> > > >> > > I will take some months for us to digest this news. >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi >> > > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >> > > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a >> > > lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant >> > > or it Marketing bullying the content team? >> > > >> > > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who >> > > can't spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >> > > >> > > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >> > > check and balance. >> > > >> > > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >> > > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as >> > > we all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't >> > > condone the means through which that is possible). >> > > >> > > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >> > > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward >> > > and secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal >> > > sense cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time >> > > test that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration >> > > expert would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and >> > > experience from a wider spectrum of vendors. >> > > >> > > Rant over. >> > > >> > > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem >> > > <heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >> > > Ok let me tell you this. >> > > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice >> > > that includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building >> > > , travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) So when >> > > people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be >> > > considered old and grandfathered. >> > > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >> > > to abolish the whole syllabus. >> > > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >> > > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >> > > >> > > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >> > > test. >> > > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >> > > tests. >> > > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >> > > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice >> > > people to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they >> > > make just a migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a >> > > cheaper fee something like $500. >> > > >> > > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP >> > > people usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they >> > > migrate to new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is >> > > only an upgrade track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >> > > >> > > >> > > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair >> > > retiring the whole cisco voice totally. >> > > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K >> > > to buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and >> > > etc.. >> > > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >> > > equipment would be way more expensive. >> > > >> > > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >> > > study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share >> > > your thoughts guys [X] >> > > >> > > >> > > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway >> > > <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >> > > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> > > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> > > >> > > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi >> > > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > > >> > >> For my initial reaction read here: >> > >> >> > >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> > >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> > >> >> > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >> > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >> > >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> > >> please visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> > >> >> > >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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