My response to Cisco via my blog. Tweeted to @LearningatCisco. Just more line noise for them to review and/or toss.
CCIE Needs its Voice Back http://bit.ly/138dBGS #FixCCIEVoice -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla On May 31, 2013, at 4:45 AM, Ken Wyan <kew...@gmail.com> wrote: > There's a serious fault with this new announcement. > > We can't say this new blueprint as CCIE Collaboration & it should be CCIE > Voice version 4. CCIE Voice track should be allowed to continue with this new > v4 blueprint. > > If Cisco want to add another CCIE Collaboration Track they have to add > additional products such as WebEx Server , VCS , Telepresence MSE , > Telepresence Multipoint Switch , Telepresence Server , Telepresence Manager , > TMS & suitable endpoints. > > Then current CCIE Voice guys will be more than happy to complete their > Collaboration certification & become dual CCIEs. It will be definitely a > career advancement path for them. > > If Cisco can call this new blueprint as "CCIE Collaboration" ; why can't > they call all current voice CCIE's as Collaboration CCIEs.? > > Ken > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Mohammed Al-Assadi <m_alass...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > Ben e-mail > > be...@cisco.com > > > > > From: brian.sch...@vitalsite.com > > To: rrcr...@yahoo.com; leslie.me...@lvs1.com > > Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:29:14 +0000 > > CC: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com > > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced > > > > It is Ben Ng. Found his linked in profile below which describes his > > position in Cisco. > > > > www.linkedin.com/pub/ben-ng/3/509/940 > > > > Profile on the Cisco site. > > > > https://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le31/communities/netpro/bios/benng.html > > > > Anyone have better contact info to send him respectful and thoughtful > > arguments on this? > > > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com > > [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Rrcrumm > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:11 AM > > To: Leslie Meade > > Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced > > > > Ben Ng comes to mind > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: > > > > > The question is... what if anything can we do ? > > > Where would we start.. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> > > > Date: > > > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> > > > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi > > > <vma...@ipexpert.com> > > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially > > > announced > > > > > > > > > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain > > > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and > > > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it > > > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of > > > the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is > > > still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of > > > current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. > > > > > > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over > > > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake > > > <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they > > > retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or > > > lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. > > > > > > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the > > > first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have > > > several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we > > > would want official confirmation. > > > > > > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_ > > > tracks > > > Retired CCIE tracks > > > > > > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. > > > These are: > > > > > > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the > > > IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the > > > StrataCom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) > > > * ISP Dial CCIE > > > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) > > > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different > > > design tests in format and subjects examined) > > > > > > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, > > > provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the > > > title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. > > > > > > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE > > > if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have > > > already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that > > > have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george > > > <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Vik, > > > > > > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is > > > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. > > > If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not > > > just Voice. > > > > > > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration > > > or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this > > > retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old > > > days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on > > > windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no > > > sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. > > > Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do > > > something completely rubbish. > > > > > > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in > > > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted > > > labs until Feb 2014. > > > > > > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this > > > decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions > > > forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams > > > so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. > > > > > > I will take some months for us to digest this news. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi > > > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: > > > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say > > > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a > > > lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or > > > it Marketing bullying the content team? > > > > > > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't > > > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? > > > > > > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid > > > check and balance. > > > > > > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a > > > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as > > > we all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't > > > condone the means through which that is possible). > > > > > > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two > > > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward > > > and secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal > > > sense cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time > > > test that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration > > > expert would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and > > > experience from a wider spectrum of vendors. > > > > > > Rant over. > > > > > > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem > > > <heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. > > > Ok let me tell you this. > > > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice > > > that includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , > > > travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) So when people > > > achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be considered > > > old and grandfathered. > > > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning > > > to abolish the whole syllabus. > > > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything > > > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. > > > > > > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab > > > test. > > > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional > > > tests. > > > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. > > > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people > > > to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a > > > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee > > > something like $500. > > > > > > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people > > > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to > > > new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade > > > track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. > > > > > > > > > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring > > > the whole cisco voice totally. > > > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to > > > buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. > > > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the > > > equipment would be way more expensive. > > > > > > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice > > > study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share > > > your thoughts guys [X] > > > > > > > > > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway > > > <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: > > > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to > > > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. > > > > > > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi > > > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: > > > > > >> For my initial reaction read here: > > >> > > >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t > > >> > > >> > > >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 > > >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. > > >> > > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> > > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> > > >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > > >> please visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> > > >> > > >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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