Howard,
good points in part.
Bin Laden's countrymen should be darn angry... they have no extradition
treaty and no right to ask for his extradition.
Now the entire world including most of the EU has told the US to cool
it and that attacks are not the way to do this... All the fanfare seems
to be dying down.
The Taliban has asked like the rest of the world to prove there is a
case against Bin Laden..
Let me point out that I know people who are buried in that rubble... As
I said, if the folks who crashed those planes were here and alive I
would be compelled to ask their erradication, even though I don't
support the death penalty. Understand, the nature of the attack was
calculated, cruel and televised so many times people have been
desensitized by it. Our country is suffering and will suffer large
amount of psychological damage as a result.
Now lets talk about the few nut cases and border control, because this
ideally is where we might indeed build a bridge together... In any
point in time, when a country is susceptible to violent acts or being
infiltrated by products or negative items in general there is to be and
always has been a tightening of the border. At minimum a cooling off
period with little or no movement. Just today BUsh and Fox were talking
up the open border ad increased open borders... Isn't Mexico wide open
space? Is Mexico the main drug route? Isn't most of the heroin in the
US being brought in via the Mexican border? Isn't Afghanastan very big
in Opium trade?
Well not to continue on a tangent, but the looming problems we have are
drugs (we had a drug war against our own citizen in all of the 1990s
and to date)... we also have the domestic and foreign terrorism threat.
SO keep the trouble out, at least for some period of time until things
solidify. Thereafter, make it harder to enter without definition of
travel plans, duration and soem means of recalling the person if needed.
As a citizen we have rights, agreeable? These rights are distinct and
greater than that of a tourist/visitor correct?
To answer about the rights trampling.... Schumer and Hillary Clinton
have been chattering in the Senate about a National Identification card
in response... Additionally, US citizens of Arab descent are being
trated like the Japanese Americans in World War II, minus the
concentration camps so far... One doctor was publically linked to the
alleged groups and his name made public because on his resume 3 years
ago he listed aviation as an interest.... Do you call that methodical
investigating or witch hunting...??
Remember WACO? Remember Oklahoma City? Yeah a middle eastern person
the media said, blah blah... the guy was as white as it gets... forget
the conspiracy rhetoric... Fact is that most of us just listen to the
big bubble tube and spit tid bits of lack luster minor media
reporting... just enough to think we get it... I am encouraging people
to dig, to question just once in a while... Look at who does what and
what they have done.. Look at their investments, memberships, etc..
Afterall, isn't that the same level of investigation our leaders are
conducting now against these suspected profiled folks :) ?
-paris
[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
[connecting people, places and things]
-----Original Message-----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:48:26 -0700
Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> Let me back up from my previous post ... I'll answer this ... I was
> just
> pissed before because this is all so obvious ...
>
> Look, it's pretty clear that Bin Laden is the man behind this. Why
> would you
> defend him? That seems like a terrible betrayal of more than 5,000
> people
> who died on Tuesday.
>
> It's not frightening that the U.S. would cut ties with operatives
> once the
> mission is completed or no longer needed. What's frightening is that
> these
> people would then use our own resources against us. There is no
> justification for it. There can certainly be no justification for
> killing
> more than 5,000 civilians in an unprovoked, cowardly attack.
>
> This isn't a witch hunt. This is a methodical investigation. It may
> prove
> Bin Laden is not behind it, but I doubt it.
>
> As for attacks on U.S. citizens and residents who look or are Muslim,
> this
> is regrettable, but this is not the government's fault. Our leaders
> have
> made a number of statements and the media has been full of news on
> this
> issue (yes, Jennifer, it has been WIDELY reported even before any
> deaths),
> pleading with people not to take this kind of action. Neither the
> government nor the country at large nor the media can be held
> accountable
> for the actions of a few ignorant scum.
>
> As for dealing with terrorists in this country, due process will be
> followed. Is that a concept you don't understand, Paris? And it
> would be
> unfair and unjust to close our borders because of a few nut cases.
> There are
> other ways of dealing with the problem.
>
> What anti-citizen legislation are you talking about?
>
> H.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
>
>
> The media isn't diverse...
>
> CNN has habitually propogated phony information.
>
> It seems unlikely Bin Laden is as bad as we believe as Americans -due
> to our media misinformation...
>
> Take for instance the huge amounts of money funneled to the Taliban
> last year for humanitarian aid... guess that is what they call
> payment
> for Opium these days... or perhaps a shell for the CIA to pay Mr.
> Laden
> his yearly retainer... Take it that Bin Laden's brother owns/holds a
> chair at Harvard... take that Bin Laden's family is the contractor
> for
> American bases in the Middle East...
>
> Doesn't any of that make you a bit uneasy if this guy is the anti-
> matter man our media portrays him as?
>
> The US government has this way of marking its operatives when their
> usefulness is over... It is frightening....
>
> We shouldn't be concerned with the sketchy pursuit of ghosts... this
> is
> our modern day witch hunt... My scary white American brethern are
> terrorizing American born citizens of Arab blood... nice truck drove
> through a mosque today in Cleveland..
>
> Listen, if terrorist are the problem... and I hear they are... why
> aren't we sending people from that part of the world home? Why
> aren't
> we coming up with new INS laws to make it harder to come here?? Why
> aren't there new laws for visitors and national ID cards for those
> folks? Heck we already have a darn SSN and drivers license, isn't
> that
> enough...??
>
> The story seems to me that the government is coming down on the
> citizen
> in the name of terrorism... all the pending legislation is anti-
> citizen..
>
> -paris
>
> [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
> [connecting people, places and things]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:46:22 -0700
> Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
>
> > The coverage has been pretty "It's bin Laden's fault. We're
> innocent.
> > Let
> > me say that again. It's bin Laden's fault. etc." Things like the
> > racist
> > attacks across the country were largely ignored by major TV and
> > internet
> > media until someone died. I'm not sure how other media handled it.
> > Our
> > local TV news covered attacks on the first day they broadcasted
> > (which I
> > believe was Wednesday). But the national news didn't.
> >
> > Other news has been ignored. On Tuesday, I went to the CNN.com site
> > to read
> > the world news section to get information on what was going on
> around
> > the
> > world and the headlines were the same headlines as were on the main
> > page
> > and US page. Even in the Middle East section, there was no link to
> > the
> > story about Kabul being bombed that day. I searched the site to
> find
> > that
> > information. It was in the site. It simply wasn't linked in the
> > CNN.com>World>Middle East section.
> >
> > I think that's the diversity he's saying is lacking. Apparently,
> this
> > is
> > the only thing that has happened in the world for the last week.
> >
> > At 10:25 PM 9/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I don't follow your point. How are these rumors (and a couple of
> > facts)
> > >related to anything I said? Or the diversity of the media?
> > Diversified how?
> > >
> > >H.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:06 PM
> > >To: CF-Community
> > >Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > >
> > >
> > >Yeah well anyone hearing that the tons of gold under the towers
> > >allegedly has turned up missing?
> > >
> > >Dow dropped how much? and we just sent 50 billion to the EU even
> > though
> > >the Euro is trading higher than the dollar...
> > >
> > >Wish the US media was a bit more diversified...
> > >
> > >[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the
> present]
> > >[connecting people, places and things]
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:05:15 -0700
> > >Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > >
> > > > Sorry, but monetary considerations were and are secondary on a
> > news
> > > > story.
> > > >
> > > > I've been a professional journalist for 15 years in all sorts
> of
> > > > positions,
> > > > including management and including two stints as publisher of
> > small
> > > > publications. I've also been a career-long member of the
> Society
> > of
> > > > Professional Journalists and a former president of the San
> Diego
> > > > chapter (if
> > > > you want to compare credentials).
> > > >
> > > > When a big story breaks, the news comes first. It's not greed.
> > Yes,
> > > > it's
> > > > credibility -- you're credibility is at stake -- but it's not
> > > > credibility
> > > > aimed at increasing profits, it's credibility aimed at
> retaining
> > > > viability.
> > > > It's about quality. There's a nuance of difference between
> doing
> > > > something
> > > > because you think it might mean bigger profits down the road,
> and
> > > > doing
> > > > something because you want to retain reader and viewer respect,
> > let
> > > > alone
> > > > your own self respect. Profitability and viability is only a by
> > > > product of
> > > > doing a good job.
> > > >
> > > > Many of these newspapers that published special editions,
> > including
> > > > my own,
> > > > have no direct competition, so they are not likely to lose
> > readers if
> > > > they
> > > > don't roll the presses in the middle of the day.
> > > >
> > > > And if all of the networks run continuous coverage, then there
> is
> > no
> > > > real
> > > > advantage in one over the other. They are not going to gain
> any
> > new
> > > > viewers
> > > > because of it. Sure, they might lose if they don't, but these
> > are
> > > > news
> > > > organizations populated from top to bottom people who are
> > life-long
> > > > news
> > > > professionals (I've met many of them, including icons such as
> Don
> > > > Hewitt and
> > > > Sid Mickelson).
> > > >
> > > > Yes, these news organizations (including mine, E.W. Scripps)
> are
> > > > publicly
> > > > owned and ultimately accountable to their stock holders, but
> they
> > are
> > > > accountable first (and this is certainly true of E.W. Scripps)
> to
> > > > their own
> > > > conscience.
> > > >
> > > > H.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:18 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: New News from Germany.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > That's the way media works.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > I've been trained in newspaper and radio, and specifically
> > trained
> > > > for news
> > > > and management. I used to run a radio station. It was a very
> > popular
> > > > station that year. I was the editor of my high school
> newspaper.
> > I
> > > > know how
> > > > it works. I feel free to criticize them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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