<g> just frustrated with what if people want to have sex with
giraffes, won't this hurt family values, why shouldn't I be able to
get married at thirteen, oops I never said that why are you putting
words in my mouth, must be a girl thing, I am offended by your
references to the 40's, I am a product of affirmative action and proud
of it kind of stuff I have been going through lately :)

I'll get over it. It's a beautiful day and I am going out there into
the sunshine. How was the Bourne Conspiracy?

Dana

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:00:49 -0500
Subject: RE: Interesting Quote
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Damn.  Must we be honest?  Can't we just argue the opposite position?

(Actually, I am a bleeding heart tree-hugging vegan)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:57 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re: Interesting Quote

  I see nothing wrong with an honest debate, personally. Emphasis on honest.
  Dana

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:00:19 -0500
  Subject: RE: Interesting Quote
  To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  <g> Well said.

  Didn't say I was perfect!  (I try not to state the obvious)

  Many people dislike arguing, believing that "heated" is part of the
  definition,  and prefer to debate or discuss.

  I, however, prefer arguing.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:19 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re: Interesting Quote

    An argument, by definition is:

    "the act or process of arguing. a coherent series of statements leading
from
  a premise to a conclusion"

    In that light, what I said it true.  I said nothing about the exchange of
  invectives but rather referred to the above meaning of "argument."

    To paraphrase:

    Another way to respond to my email would have been to express a lack of
  understanding and ask for context or even just to express your view rather
  than assuming that I was referring to some kind of heated argument.

    Howie

    P.S. it's "Jane, you ignorant 'slut'"

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Andy Ousterhout
    To: CF-Community
    Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:12 PM
    Subject: RE: Interesting Quote

    Howie,

    Perhaps they are referring to the fact that many arguments do not entail
an
    exchange of ideas, but rather an exchange of invectives.

    For example, another way to respond to Monique's email would have been to
    express a lack of understanding and ask for context or even just to
express
    your view rather than adding "That quote makes no sense".  This is one of
  the
    civilities that is missing from many dialogues today.  We revert
immediately
    to "Jane, you ignorant slot".

    Andy
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
      Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:57 AM
      To: CF-Community
      Subject: Re: Interesting Quote

      That quote makes no sense.  Arguments serve a purpose and are many times
    intellectual and thought-provoking.

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Monique Boea
        To: CF-Community
        Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:51 AM
        Subject: Interesting Quote

        "It is only the intellectually lost who ever
  argue"________________________________________________________________
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