close what holes are open. I learn and I want to learn. Even with using
Windows, I take responsability for myself. Is that to much to ask people to
do? Learn before you enter the net. Pick up your garbage rather than
throwing it on the street. Cover your mouth when you cough. You know, little
things of personal reponsability.
I don't hold my self as elite for knowing how things work.
But lets bring this all back to the original comment here. I dislike the
Fire*** because they put a nice, iconic front end on a browser/mail reader
with limited functionality (compaired to it's big brother mozilla) so that
people can use the products without worry or even knowledge. Yes,
knowledgeable people use the products because they're also good, but they're
designed to make it easy for end users. They allow people without knowledge
to stay without knowledge and still use the net. But this is not about the
products, it's about the users.
Did I say that people should know how to repair a car engine? No. I don't
expect end users to write code either. But you do need a license to drive
and I feel that a license or at least some knowledge is needed to use the
net.
_____
From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:43 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
Michael, you have the ability to learn about and use a more secure Operating
system, but you probably still use Windows don't you? Have you tried to
manipulate the Windows code so that your machine will be more secure?
There's a certain level of trust people put into things. When you drive a
car, you don't necessarily have to know how the engine works, you implicitly
trust that it will work. This is the same thing that's happening with
"normal" users. The computer isn't much more than really complicated remote
control or some other common gadget. This isn't their fault though. I
blame MS. They market WinXP to look and feel very simple. A consumer OS
shouldn't require all of the maintenance that WinXP requires.
I think you have an elitist attitude towards end users, but I'm sure that
the people who create cars, Tivos, iPods, cell phones, etc all have similar
attitudes.
Marlon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:56 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: On stupidity & Michael Dinowitz
>
> Apples and basketballs. I have no real choice about being 5' 7.5" and
> Shaq
> has no real choice in being the skyscraper that he is. On the other hand,
> everyone has the ability to read something about the internet before
> going
> on. But your right. Most end users are not stupid. They're lazy. They
> wander
> into a place which is dangerous without any knowledge and get
> scammed,
> spammed, or infected with viruses. Does not make them stupid for
> walking
> into the net without any knowledge. Guess they'll wander into a swamp
> next
> without a map. Or use their CPU as a coffee warmer. :)
> As for responsability, it is our responsability to do our jobs. If this
> includes making the internet easier for end users, then so be it. My job
is
> to make information available to people in order to make their job easier
> and advance the use of CF. (actually, the job I get paid for is to make
> sites work faster and smoother, but that's back end). The job of an end
> user
> (in my mind) is to take 3 seconds to read some instructions, warnings or
> whatever. I and about everyone else here can say at least one story
> about an
> end user who got burnt and it was all their own fault. Just read User
> Friendly and you'll see what I mean (check out the Cthulhu ones for
> specifics). Yes, the stars were right for Cthulhu to eat the heads off of
> some spammers. :)
>
_____
[Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
