"For years many African Americans and Minorites have been discriminated against 
in your country and prevented from participating in
the most desirable jobs and universities simply because of their race! Even 
when this was declared unconstitutional the practice
still persisted! (Beuchamp and Bowie,1993).African Americans in particular 
still face a variety of institutionalised racism and
racially motivated negative actions that their Caucasian counterparts do not 
face.Some of the major problems are their being
channeled into minority positions, lack of access to network and mentors, 
promotion and advancement difficulties and emotional and
psychological maltreatment (Queralt, 1996)"

Those exist today.If you are against Affirmative action then what is the 
solution? 
To say that no solution to that problem is necessary is to agree with racism 
and to support it.

I have shown data and excerpts from real research that has stood up to peer 
review and those of the opposition to Affirmative
Action. I have shown factual data that in California when Affirmative Action in 
tertiary admissions was removed that the enrollment
of minorities plummeted. The figures are there, the actual people being 
discriminated and disenfranchised are there too. Why not
bring some anecdotes from them? 

All studies done to date has shown ongoing racism in the American workplace and 
school admissions.It has shown ongoing
discrimination against minorities. 
Up to now none of you who espouse that Minorities are no longer discriminated 
against, that they are no longer kept out of the best
schools with or without Affirmative Action, that they are not kept out of top 
CEO positions, none of you who make these wild claims
have any data to back them up, or point to any research done. All you have are 
emotional rants,pretty anecdotes, and your own
cognitive dissonance on the realities of the situation.

I asked you in a previous post and I'll ask you again:

What proof do you have that whites are being negatively affected in appreciable 
numbers because of Affirmative Action?What proof do
you have that White enrollment in top universities is threatened and on a sharp 
decline because of Affirmative Action?What Proof do
you have that Whites are being kept out of top executive positions in corporate 
America in significant numbers because of
Affirmative Action? 

What's the proof? Because *you* *think* so? 
Because someone says that their wife said that her nephew said...??

What proof do you have of any of these wild claims that have been made?

-Gel
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick McClure 

You know, as an outsider I'm not sure you understand what really goes on here. 
The similarities between a rural community and an
urban community are there. Yet many people don't talk about them. 

Racial minorities are usually easy to spot

What do you consider the key issue of this debate?


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