nice post. Dana
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:45:23 -0500, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK a few things, > > First this first paragraph is wrong, it has never been declared > unconstitutional, the constitution addresses voting rights, and protection > under the law. The Civil rights act of 1964 addresses discrimination in the > work place. > > Second, I've given my solution over and over again, we have to fix the > public education system that forces minorities into poor over crowded > schools. We have to educate society and emphasize to all young people about > the consequences of not working in school, and create an environment that > breeds success in society and not on the streets. When colleges are no > longer able to primary education as a reason, then we will be left with > actual racial discrimination that is illegal based on the Civil Rights Act. > > When all people have equal opportunities for education, then we level the > playing field in the job market, and again, we fall back to the Civil Rights > Act to address discrimination. > > You have shown three numbers, numbers that are based on national averages. > In the US there is no such thing as a National Average. Did those numbers > take into account the number of minorities with a college education? No. Did > those numbers take in to account the location of the job in relation to the > percentage of the population of the area where the company was based? No. > > The racism in Higher Education and the workplace stems from racism in the > public schools and communities. > > I'm not the one making the argument that whites are being held back in major > numbers by affirmative action, I'm sure it happens. However I'm also pretty > confident that such a study would be shunned by pro-affirmative action > groups, and you would be hard pressed to get that study to even see the > light of day. > > These studies that you mentioned still don't address the root problems. I > want to see some studies that take into account education levels. How many > people that were more qualified didn't get the job, and can the prove it was > because of race. > > I made some logic arguments earlier, and I will argue that if a minority > gets a job because of AA, that chances are a non-minority (read white male) > didn't get the job because of AA. I don't question the morality of such a > choice. I do question the legality under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. > > I make no claim that minorities aren't being discriminated against. In fact > I have been saying it the entire time. I'm saying that discrimination that > starts today is what will really affect people in 20 years when they go to > get a job. > > One thing Americans hate more than anything is being told that they have to > do. A law or policy such as Affirmative Action, while it may get somebody > into the job; it doesn't stop the other individuals from getting upset with > the policy or law, and taking that out on the person. They start assuming > that they weren't really good enough to get the job, and that must apply to > other minorities, thus furthering the stereotype. > > Affirmative action is a hack, it isn't a long term fix, it was a short term > idea that many thought would be gone by now. The long term fix starts long > before people even thing about getting a job. > > I don't know if you aren't reading what I'm saying, but you always seem to > ignore my comments, I've offered a solution, my solution is much harder, > will take more time, and take more money. > > There is a problem, it goes far beyond employment, it goes deeper into drug > laws, and other things that occur in minority communities. These things have > to be addressed. > > The entire system is stacked from the beginning in such a way that makes it > very hard to get out of it. > > If you know me, you know I'm exactly the most liberal person there is, > however I recognize a problem here, I think we can fix the problem. But it > is going to go far beyond what AA can do. We have to fix society. I think AA > prevents us from addressing the real problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:144954 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
