Gruss,

While the fact that there *are* black CEOs and women CEOs shows that
changes have been made -- my point in advocating an affirmative action
program based on family income or school district rather than race --
the thing is that their existence does not disprove prejudice, which
does still exist.

In fact, after taking a lot at the reports I posted yesterday, I am
not sure whether I agree with myself anymore when it comes to
education. But there is a problem even if it is a smaller problem than
it used to be. Take a look at the income numbers I just put up. They
are recent and there is a very real disparity.

Dana



On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:31:15 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Angel  wrote:
> > But whatever makes you feel better. Racism is not a problem in America
> 
> Race is a problem everywhere!  Think of the Hutus and Tutsis -
> physically you can't even tell them apart, but they kill each other.
> 
> The questions is this:
> ------------------------------
> Is race a pervasive prohibiting factor in American college admissions
> and the American workplace?
> 
> The answer is no!  To prove this all you have to do is look at the
> percentages of minorities (women, black, American Indian, etc.) that
> attend university or have top jobs.  There are plenty and I've already
> given those figures:
> 
> Top Black Executives ( http://www.fortune.com/fortune/blackpower ):
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1       Stanley O'Neal          COO     Merrill Lynch
> 2       Ken Chenault    CEO     American Express
> 3       Richard Parsons         CEO     AOL Time Warner
> 4       Franklin Raines         CEO     Fannie Mae
> 5       Thomas Jones    CEO of Global Investments, Private Banking, and Asset
> Management      Citigroup
> 
> Top Women Executives (
> http://www.fortune.com/fortune/powerwomen/subs/fulllist/0,21882,,00.html
> ):
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1       Meg Whitman     eBay    President and CEO
> 2       Carly Fiorina   Hewlett-Packard Chairman and CEO
> 3       Andrea Jung     Avon Products   Chairman and CEO
> 4       Anne Mulcahy    Xerox   Chairman and CEO
> 5       Marjorie Magner Citigroup       Chairman and CEO, Global Consumer 
> Group
> 
> Top School MBA Percentages of Minority Attendance:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html
> 
> 

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