It seems to me that you are being the " father ... that my dad wasn't." 

larry


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:23:41 -0800, Ken Ketsdever
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong I love my daughter more than life itself.  And she is a 
> great kid.  My father wasn't much of a father and we did little to nothing 
> together.   I do everything with my daughter and pride myself in my 
> relationship with her.  I go to her Art classes and ballet classes etc.. and 
> she is my little shadow.  If I go work in the yard she is right there with 
> her little gloves and rake, if I go into the shop to work she breaks out her 
> little tool set (see photo) www.ketsdever.com/images/shoptime.jpg.
> 
> I guess I had always wanted to be the father to a son that my dad wasn't.  
> And it reading and enjoying the joy of others doing those things with there 
> sons I just realized it's not going to happen for me with a son.  Somehow for 
> a minute there was a difference.   Its hard to explain.
> 
> I have had the pleasure of being a father, cousin and best friend to two 
> cousins whose father died when they were toddlers.  As they reached their 
> teens both of them lived with me for a while (they are 9 and 12 years younger 
> than me). And I got them both through high school when it looked like neither 
> of them would make it. They have both grown into responsible and respectable 
> men. So I am very proud of them and the fact that I may have played a little 
> part in shaping their lives.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:09 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Pinewood Derby
> 
> Hey Ken,
> 
> First congrats on the kid.
> 
> Also why can't the girls be into pinewood racing?
> 
> larry
> 
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:56:04 -0800, Ken Ketsdever
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I spent the better part of 20 years in Scouting both as a Scout and a 
> > Scoutmaster and always looked forward to spending time with my son in 
> > scouting.
> >
> > I have a four year old daughter and my wife is currently 20 weeks along 
> > with our second (and last child). Yesterday we had an ultrasound and IT'S A 
> > GIRL! I always said it didn't matter and would be happy to have a healthy 
> > baby boy or girl.
> >
> > However, reading the pinewood derby thread really drove home that I will 
> > not being doing those things with a son that I have so looked forward to 
> > most of my life.  And it has hit a little harder than I thought.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:44 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Pinewood Derby
> >
> > My dad helped me with my first Pinewood car, and although he is not an
> > engineer, we still had a kickass car that killed everyone.  We hollowed out
> > the front of the car and melted a bunch of lead into it.  As a 8 or 10 year
> > old, I thought that was so damn clever.  I still have the car around
> > somewhere....
> >
> > At 10:37 AM 3/18/2005, you wrote:
> > >My first Pinewood Derby, my dad helped me.  My car sucked.  My second
> > >Pinewood Derby, I wouldn't let him help, and I won the local
> > >competition.  At the regional comp, I came in second to the guy who came
> > >in second to me locally.
> > >
> > >I'm glad your car did so well.  I just find it amusing that dads can be
> > >so different when it comes to engineering.  :-)
> > >
> > >--Ben
> > >
> > >John Stanley wrote:
> > > > My sons pinewood derby was last night. It was our first derby, so I did 
> > > > 99%
> > > > of the work on the car because he's only six and you know how that goes.
> > > > There were 23 cars in the race and we almost won the whole thing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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