I've not been involved in years. The troop I was in as a kid opened meetings 
with prayer but that was about it for religion.  The two troops I was part of 
as an adult were about the same.  Little to no religious interaction.  However, 
there were several religious troops in the area.  It seems their were several 
LDS troops.   

In today's increasingly religious right slanted society I can see how it could 
easily influence scouting.  That's a shame.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:12 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Pinewood Derby


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Pinewood Derby
> 
> >>I earned my eagle scout badge and looked forward to rejoining scouting
> >>when my son got to the right age, but it was just too much of a
> >>religious organization anymore. Too many thumpers!
> 
> I know exactly what you mean. They were discussing the cub scout motto and
> talking about obeying "gods laws", I had to struggle to keep my mouth
> shut.

Yeah... ain't it a shame.

My troop (good old 580 in Tonawanda, NY) was actually quite open and
respectful.  We learned good things like "leave places better than you found
them".  We didn't enforce religious or sexual exclusion policies and in
general focused more on the teamwork and respect for nature aspects.

But when we'd go out and interact with (some) other troops you could see the
other-side.  Some troops were nothing more than weekend jag-offs (when the
scoutmasters bring a keg to the camp-site you know there's not much good
coming out of it) and others were zealots (prayer time and anti-gay
propaganda).

I served as advisor to a cub troop and was senior patrol leader for my troop
(but I never did make Eagle... I had everything I needed but was too much of
a fat bastard to get my physical fitness badge).

Now that my son is six I'm honestly torn about it.  I would love him to have
memories like mine but it just doesn't seem the same anymore.  (If it was
really the same then... or I just lucked out and found a good troop.)

Jim Davis







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