Of course he can't, he wants to promote one using his office.  If it became
a constitutional amendment, then that would be why it's a constitutional
question.

 
Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
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-----Original Message-----
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)

GWB cannot start an amendment process, I believe that's left to the states
or congress correct?

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)


That's a whole other question.  If GWB wants to make a constitutional
amendment, that's what makes it a constitutional issue. Other than that,
you're right.


Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
704-973-1045
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-----Original Message-----
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)

Matt,

What in the constitution, the supposed base document of all federal law,
gives the federal government the right to come down either way?  Shouldn't
it at least be a states issue?

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:33 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: GitMo (Was: speaking of)


You can't divide everything so neatly, Gruss.  I value liberty, and I have
my own values of human decency.  Sometimes those two things don't match.
Sometimes they do.  Sometimes one trumps the other.  Sometimes the values of
the whole trump the values of the individual, and vice-versa.  But that's
why there are votes, and that's liberty at work - the freedom to vote for
who you want to represent you, and the ability to accept that sometimes you
don't win.  I wouldn't have voted for GWB, but I favor his stance on
homosexual marriage. It doesn't take a Christian to have a viewpoint that
doesn't accept homosexuality as a either a natural thing or to have a
viewpoint that conflicts with your definition of liberty.  It doesn't mean
that I'm against personal liberty.  Anybody can have sex with anybody they
wish for all I care - laws don't change a thing.  But my stance is against
the legal acceptance of the act.


Matthew Small
Web Developer
American City Business Journals
704-973-1045
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-----Original Message-----
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:16 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: GitMo (Was: speaking of)

> Sam wrote:
> I'm not a Christian so I'm an enemy according
> to you.

It's not necessarily being a Christian, it's believing that the
morality the Church advocates should be law.  This is Mr. Bush's core
domestic policy.

For example, Gay marriage.  Those that value liberty would say if 2
sane adults want to have sex in private, let them.  If they want to
commit to each other and gain the benefits of marriage, let them.

Those that oppose liberty, that seek to shackle others with their
arbitrary morality, would say Gay Marriage is not only wrong, but
those that wish to do it should be prevented.  Mr. Bush would like to
go so far as to make Gay Marriage constitutionally prohibited - use
the constitution to discriminate amongst citizens.

What right do I have to say that your lifestyle choices, given they
don't inhibit mine, should be banned?  To do so is the ultimate
immorality.

So it's not Christianity, it the belief that the State should impose
an arbitrary morality on its citizens.  Which you believe.











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