I never said it was illegitimate. I said that if they are guilty (we still have trials here with things like evidence) then they deserve the maximum sentence possible. On the other hand, if they are innocent then I expect that we will never hear of it again. <CF_Cynical> In the past the government, media and/or various other parties have tried to vilify different groups with stories like this. I remember one a few years back accusing a number of Jewish government workers of being spy's for Israel. The story went out everywhere and hurt relations a lot. It was later found to have no basis in fact but no retraction was ever made. No apologies, no attempts to tell the truth, nothing. (In that event it was all a group in the government trying to play middle east games.) Just because a story is in the news doesn't mean its true. I want to see it in court to say that they are guilty. Same thing if the people were Muslims, right for lifers, white supremacists, or conservatives. Evidence and conviction above media speculation. </CF_Cynical>
At 01:22 PM 12/13/01, you wrote: >Michael, > >Its a legitimate story. Here's the Washington Post report: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32339-2001Dec12.html > >Two Calif. Men Charged In Plot to Bomb Mosque >Both Belong to Militant Jewish Group > >By William Booth >Washington Post Staff Writer >Thursday, December 13, 2001; Page A01 > > >LOS ANGELES, Dec. 12 -- Two leaders of the militant Jewish Defense League >were arrested here Tuesday night as they were assembling bombs to use in >planned attacks against one of the city's largest mosques and the local >offices of an Arab American House member, federal officials announced today. > >The two men, Irving David Rubin and Earl Leslie Krugel, were charged today >with conspiracy to manufacture and detonate bombs targeting Arab and Muslim >buildings in the Los Angeles area, as well as the San Clemente offices of >Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who is a grandson of Lebanese immigrants. > >Krugel, 59, was arrested at his home in Reseda as he was receiving delivery >from a police informant of five pounds of gunpowder of the type used to fire >cannons. Inside the home were two drilled foot-long pipes, end caps and >fuses. There were also a dozen rifles and handguns. > >FBI officials described the bomb components as relatively sophisticated, >ready for assembly and capable of blowing out the doors and windows of a >building and killing anyone nearby. > >"The devices appeared to be constructed to destroy property, though, of >course, anyone near them when they exploded probably would have been >seriously injured or killed," said Ronald Iden, the assistant director in >charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office. > >Krugel was described by the FBI as "a leading member" of the Jewish Defense >League and Rubin as "the leader" of the group, which federal officials >characterized today as "a violent, subversive organization" that was >preparing to engage in acts of domestic terrorism. The FBI had the >organization under surveillance since receiving a tip from an informant in >October, officials said. > >In court papers, FBI agents detailed wiretaps and taped conversations >between the informant and Rubin and Krugel in which they discussed their >motivations. Krugel stated that "Arabs needed a wake-up call and that the >JDL needed to do something to one of their 'filthy' mosques," according to >FBI wiretaps. > >The JDL was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane to defend Jews against anti-Semitic >attacks in New York during the 1980s. Kahane was murdered in 1990. Before >his death, he founded the extremist Kach party in Israel, which advocated >the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel and Israeli-occupied territories. > >Rubin, 56, was arrested Tuesday evening while driving near his home after >meeting with Krugel and an FBI informant at Jerry's Famous Deli in Encino. > >Rubin's attorney, Peter Morris, said his client is innocent and the victim >of overzealous prosecution by the government in the wake of the Sept. 11 >terrorist attacks. If convicted, Rubin and Krugel face 30 years in prison. > >Rubin and Krugel had been under surveillance since the confidential source >approached the FBI and told agents that he was a member of the JDL and that >he had planted a bomb at a mosque at the direction of JDL leaders. > >FBI officials declined to reveal more information about the confidential >source or the alleged bombings in the past. > >But according to federal investigators, the source met repeatedly with Rubin >and Krugel to purchase bomb components, to discuss tactics and to review >photographs of possible targets. > >In one exchange, Rubin allegedly said that "it was his desire to blow up an >entire building, but the JDL did not have the technology to accomplish such >a bomb." > >In the wiretaps, Krugel and Rubin tell the informant that the bombings >should strike buildings and not human targets -- "because they still had not >heard the end of the Alex Odeh incident," a reference to the ongoing >investigation into the 1985 murder in Santa Ana, Calif., of Alexander Odeh, >regional director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. > >Odeh was killed when a bomb delivered to his office blew up. A $1 million >reward for information leading to the arrest of anyone connected with the >Odeh bombing was announced today. > >The targets discussed by Rubin and Krugel, according to the FBI, included >the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, the offices of the Muslim Public >Affairs Council in Los Angeles and the southern California offices of Issa. > >Today, Issa, a freshman member of the House, said: "I have no way of knowing >why I have become the focus and target of these individuals. Like most >Americans, my hope and wish is for a peaceful resolution to the Middle East >conflict." > >The Muslim Public Affairs Council employs about a dozen people in a large >office building along Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. The council works >to educate the media, the public and elected officials about Islam. > >Salam Marayati, the council's executive director in Los Angeles, said that >one of his colleagues was threatened after a recent speech at the University >of Judaism. But, otherwise, the council has not received any specific >terrorist threats, he said. > >Marayati said that if the attack had succeeded, it would have terrified >local Muslims in the midst of Ramadan celebrations. > >"People are trying to focus on their spiritual needs," Marayati said. "It >really would have amounted to carnage on our streets." > >Marayati praised the FBI for "showing and underscoring that terrorism is not >monopolized by any one religion. It's a problem across the board." > >However, he was concerned that future attacks could be in the works. > >"We don't believe that it's limited to two people," Marayati said. "We're >concerned that there's a wider network." > >Mainstream Jewish groups applauded law enforcement for the arrests and >denounced the JDL and its members. > >"The Jewish Defense League is a tiny organization that employs tactics that >are counter to the values of the Jewish community," said Rabbi Gary >Greenebaum, a director of the American Jewish Committee. > >Special correspondent Jeff Adler contributed to this report. > > >© 2001 The Washington Post Company >-- > >As a side note, it was on both CNN.com and on MSNBC. > >regards, > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 >tel: (703) 393-7930 >fax: (703) 393-2659 >Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >-- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:23 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Domestic terrorists > > > > > > It'll get to other sites. 1010 are nasty in general and jump > > on stuff like > > this (they were the ones who pissed off Guilani in Israel). I > > actually > > heard it from another source before I read it on 1010. If it > > does turn out > > to be true then the participants deserver all the jail time > > and husbands > > that they get. On the other hand, if it turns out to be false > > watch how > > fast it disappears without even an apology or follow up story. > > > > At 12:16 PM 12/13/01, you wrote: > > >First we have anthrax letters that more than likely originated from > > >someone in our own country and now this: > > > > > >http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_628347530_html > > > > > >BTW - I find it curious that this story is not on most major > > news sites... > > > > > >Howie > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
