The WHOLE point of the treaty was to prevent the development of anti-ballistic missile defend system because such a system would UNDERMINE the principle of M.A.D (mutually assured destruction). If you develop a system to defend yourself then you're basically progressing the idea that nuclear war is a feasible possibility and that it is tolerable. Nuclear war is not feasible. Developing a defend system provokes conflict, not prevents it. It's the same old "treat the symptoms rather than the cause".
The 90s were a release from the fear of nuclear war with the end of the soviet union... Why go back in time and create another arms race. Because doing so satisfies the ultra-right desire for arms build up and make a lot of people filthy rich off govenment tax dollars. Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Ouch > You're right about fighting the wars with allies, but that was not what > I was trying to convey. > > I've read several stamens in the press and elsewhere by critics of > missile defense that "the money could be better spent elsewhere like > health care or social security..." blah blah blah. My point is that we > can do it all. I just don't understand why people are so opposed to a > program that is designed to protect us. Tests have proven that it can > be done. If naysayers got their way we would never have gotten to the > moon, we wouldn't be able to fly at supersonic speeds, but we have > always believed in the possibilities, not the impossibilities. To me, > that's the human spirit. > > As for the test, the lessons learned from those tests will make the next > "version" better. When you write code, do you not test it? If it > doesn't work, don't you go back and fix it? Have you ever had to > explain to clients why it costs so much to build a good web application? > > As for the money spent, how much would you spend to defend us? > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > www.endoradigital.com > 630/942-5211 x-134 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Lyons > To: CF-Community > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > The United States has not fought a multiple front war without Allies > since > the Civil War. Can you name one? Lets see, Spanish -American War - > fought > with the help of the Philippine people. WWI - the US did not get > involved > until the last year of the conflict. WWII - the US was but one of > several > participants. Korean War, same thing. Vietnam - Australia, South Korea > and > Thailand. Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo, same - all were fought with the > assistance of multi-national coalitions. > > The real problem with the missile defense system is that it is so very > easily spoofed. When a $25 Mylar balloon that is "tuned" can spoof a > trillion dollar system, isn't that a waste? > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:24 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > We've fought wars on multiple fronts in the past and we can > > do it again. > > I'm sure there were those that opposed our involvement in Europe > > considering that we were at war with Japan, but we did it anyways > > because we had an obligation to do so. Contrary to many > > beliefs, this > > country can walk and chew gum at the same time. Our military is > very > > well trained and our Intelligence gathering efforts have been > > lacking, > > but we now see the error of our ways now and we will be able > > to conduct > > the sort of operations that we need to in order to protect > > the US. We > > can improve our military readiness, improve our intelligence > > gathering > > efforts, and pursue alternative ways of protecting the > > citizens of this > > country..all at the same time. > > > > As for missile defense, it is not THE way to protect America > > but one of > > many means in which to do so. Iraq couldn't give a rats ass about > an > > AMB treaty. Once China gets their weapons up to snuff, they > > won't give > > a crap either. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. If the current regime > > > were to fall into the hands of an organization like the Taliban or > Al > > Queada, do you think they care about the stupid treaty? Shall I > > continue with North Korea? None of these countries give a damn > about > > the ABM treaty except to make a bunch of noise, apply international > > political pressure against the US, and do everything they can > > to prevent > > America from defending herself because they really don't want > > the US the > > means to do so. Why? Because if she can, then they are left > > out in the > > cold. > > > > Before Sept. 11th, no one would have thought that a terrorist group > > would have been able to accomplish what they were able to > > accomplish. I > > mean really think about it...the Twin Towers are GONE!!! Should we > > really revert back to that mindset of "well, it probably > > won't happen so > > let's not do anything about it?" I think that Ballistic > > Missiles are a > > credible threat and should be addressed. If we ignore them and God > > forbid something happens, the same people who are bitching > > about missile > > defense now would be lambasting whatever administration is in > > the White > > House at the time for not doing SOMETHING about it. > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > www.endoradigital.com > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Judith Dinowitz > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:52 AM > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > It's just that with the war we're currently in against > > terrorism, it's > > not > > a good idea to piss off our current allies, like Russia. Why do we > > > want to > > restart the Cold War? We'd be better off concentrating on > > building up > > better defenses such as the skills of our own > > armies/navies/etc., our > > spy > > networks to ferret out future terrorist plots ... > > > > Judith > > > > >Lets see, Russia is against the US withdrawal from the ABM > > treaty, as > > is > > >China, all of the EU, Canada, Britain and all the other NATO > > countries. Need > > >I continue? > > > > > >The missile defense systems are simply a waste of money. > > The various > > reports > > >by different scientific bodies have all been anonymous in stating > > > that the > > >system will not work. Why waste money on a Republican boondoggle. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. 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