i agree with you jerry, except i cannot write him off. i have a hard time writing off anyone, unless you fuck me over. my father is a light col. in the united states army, flew in two tours of the good ole Vietnam debacle. If Wayne met him, Wayne wouldnt hate him. Wayne would probably actually be fine with him, as my dad had no desire to kill a soul. He was a kid from a broken home, that needed a job, so he joined. The the Vietnam debacle came along and he performed his job, whatever that might have been, and did it well, with pride, and to help whatever they were fighting for. Still not sure, never really learned about that war.
Anyway, its REALLY easy to say things on a list, without thinking and hitting send too quick. I'm sure Wayne would never say anything like that to ANY of you, if he met you at a CF Conference or something it just wouldnt happen. When you put a face to a posting, or a face to an email address, its quite a bit different and im sure unless your The Rock, you wouldnt talk the same way to their face as you would in an email. whatever, id rather listen to wayne than sam :) sorry sammy. tw On 12/15/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's look at what Wayne said. > > He does not repect anyone who has ever joined the military, and > considers them all fools and killers. > > We have a number of ex military people on this list. Who he just > insulted purposely. > My father falls into that list, and I take offense to that. > I have personal friends and aquaintences that have lost lives, body > parts, children, jobs, health, sanity and marriages from their > sacrifice over the last few years. > > So I have written Wayne off. He is not worth my time. And I personally > think he is a dick for saying those things to these people. > > The attitude that Wayne holds is not uncommon in the UK. It is > prevalent in France. It exists in Canada. It is less popular here at > home than at any time in my lifetime. > > So odds are, he was going to be from the UK. We don't have many French > citizens on this mailing list. Those Canadian citizens we have would > have been more polite to the existing military veterans. US citz would > have been reluctant to voice that sentiment (do you see why?) > > Who said anything about France (Who are all cheese-eating, bad > cigarette smoking cowards. This week, anyway). > > As far as the British military goes, who even questioned their > testosterone levels? Or that of the French military for that matter. > Or of the Iraqi military. > > Kevin was DEFENDING the British military guys from Wayne's attack. > > You should be yelling at Wayne for calling them foolish killers. > > Wayne did not say that he was against war and we should not have gone > into Iraq. Had he said that, I would have wholeheartedly agreed. He > did not say he was against the politicians who got us into the war, or > against the fanatical religious leaders and dictators that gave > justification, or the military leaders who have made bad decisions and > cost lives. > > He said he was against the dogfaces, the men and women in uniform. > > Bad, bad Wayne. > > On 12/15/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok, here is what it said to me, and you tell me I am not wrong based on what > > we've seen out of Kevin so far. > > > > There has been a media-fed and administration-generated sort of collective > > insanity in the US in which those foreign countries who do not fall into > > lockstep with US policy are made out to be cowards or stupid or ungrateful. > > Canada and France both come to mind in this context. > > > > Kevin as one of our handiest and best examples of ignorant acceptance of > > administration pablum has confused the British with the French. Personally I > > think the French were quite wise to stay out of the current mess, and that > > while they are hardly the most effective fighters they are far from > > cowardly. But that is neither here nor there. > > > > We are talking about the Brits, who, hello, are our allies in this war, who > > have take a great deal of flack to be our allies, and who, like it or not, > > are some of the bravest soldiers out there and always have been. I am really > > ashamed that someone I know would have been ignorant enough to a) confuse > > the two and b) say such a thing. All them thar uro-peens is alike. Please > > note that though I say this as the holder of a British passport I am of > > French and Irish descent and we know damn well the Brits can fight. As you > > people should too. They are right there with you in Iraq. What the hell do > > you think that the bombs in London were about?? > > > > That such an effort should be trivialized by such a remark really > > embarrasses me. > > > > That being said, I can conceive of a necessary war so I don't know that I > > agree with Wayne, but it is certainly a respectable point of view and > > Kevin's reaction to it may have single-handedly notched up the perception of > > this country as a nest of benighted fools. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:188443 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
