On 12/16/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's look at what Wayne said. > > He does not repect anyone who has ever joined the military, and > considers them all fools and killers.
I did not say they were fools, and obviously not everybody in the military has killed. > We have a number of ex military people on this list. Who he just > insulted purposely. No, I know there are military people on this list, I was stating my opinion, not insulting them - they may of course have been insulted, but I did not set out to do that. > My father falls into that list, and I take offense to that. > I have personal friends and aquaintences that have lost lives, body > parts, children, jobs, health, sanity and marriages from their > sacrifice over the last few years. My father was also in the military, it does not affect my opinion. > So I have written Wayne off. He is not worth my time. And I personally > think he is a dick for saying those things to these people. And back to the insults. > The attitude that Wayne holds is not uncommon in the UK. It is > prevalent in France. It exists in Canada. It is less popular here at > home than at any time in my lifetime. > > So odds are, he was going to be from the UK. We don't have many French > citizens on this mailing list. Those Canadian citizens we have would > have been more polite to the existing military veterans. US citz would > have been reluctant to voice that sentiment (do you see why?) > > Who said anything about France (Who are all cheese-eating, bad > cigarette smoking cowards. This week, anyway). Racist as well? > As far as the British military goes, who even questioned their > testosterone levels? Or that of the French military for that matter. > Or of the Iraqi military. > > Kevin was DEFENDING the British military guys from Wayne's attack. I was attacking nobody, it's all in your mind. > You should be yelling at Wayne for calling them foolish killers. See above. > Wayne did not say that he was against war and we should not have gone > into Iraq. Had he said that, I would have wholeheartedly agreed. He > did not say he was against the politicians who got us into the war, or > against the fanatical religious leaders and dictators that gave > justification, or the military leaders who have made bad decisions and > cost lives. Absolutely. > He said he was against the dogfaces, the men and women in uniform. I don't respect them, that is true, it would be hypocritical for me to say I am against war and for a military, wouldn't it? > Bad, bad Wayne. I'm a Buddhist, no good, no bad. > On 12/15/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok, here is what it said to me, and you tell me I am not wrong based on what > > we've seen out of Kevin so far. > > > > There has been a media-fed and administration-generated sort of collective > > insanity in the US in which those foreign countries who do not fall into > > lockstep with US policy are made out to be cowards or stupid or ungrateful. > > Canada and France both come to mind in this context. > > > > Kevin as one of our handiest and best examples of ignorant acceptance of > > administration pablum has confused the British with the French. Personally I > > think the French were quite wise to stay out of the current mess, and that > > while they are hardly the most effective fighters they are far from > > cowardly. But that is neither here nor there. > > > > We are talking about the Brits, who, hello, are our allies in this war, who > > have take a great deal of flack to be our allies, and who, like it or not, > > are some of the bravest soldiers out there and always have been. I am really > > ashamed that someone I know would have been ignorant enough to a) confuse > > the two and b) say such a thing. All them thar uro-peens is alike. Please > > note that though I say this as the holder of a British passport I am of > > French and Irish descent and we know damn well the Brits can fight. As you > > people should too. They are right there with you in Iraq. What the hell do > > you think that the bombs in London were about?? > > > > That such an effort should be trivialized by such a remark really > > embarrasses me. > > > > That being said, I can conceive of a necessary war so I don't know that I > > agree with Wayne, but it is certainly a respectable point of view and > > Kevin's reaction to it may have single-handedly notched up the perception of > > this country as a nest of benighted fools. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:188444 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
