ok, I have given up on my other stuff for the moment. I personally would have had less issue with Wayne's statement if it had not included having no respect for those who join the military. I think it's a choice that implies a certain courage and is often made for idealistic and brave reasons. I personally would have difficulty with someone making my moral choices for me, but that is easy for me to say.
With that out of the way, I think you are letting your anger color your perception of what he actually said. He said nothing about fools and killers. Nor do I read Kevin as defending anyone who is British soldiers or not. I'll let the part about cheese-eating bad cigarette smoking cowards go because you made me laugh earlier, but gee, does this really belong in a post where you are talking about deliberate insults? Je me souviens, Dana On 12/15/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's look at what Wayne said. > > He does not repect anyone who has ever joined the military, and > considers them all fools and killers. > > We have a number of ex military people on this list. Who he just > insulted purposely. > My father falls into that list, and I take offense to that. > I have personal friends and aquaintences that have lost lives, body > parts, children, jobs, health, sanity and marriages from their > sacrifice over the last few years. > > So I have written Wayne off. He is not worth my time. And I personally > think he is a dick for saying those things to these people. > > The attitude that Wayne holds is not uncommon in the UK. It is > prevalent in France. It exists in Canada. It is less popular here at > home than at any time in my lifetime. > > So odds are, he was going to be from the UK. We don't have many French > citizens on this mailing list. Those Canadian citizens we have would > have been more polite to the existing military veterans. US citz would > have been reluctant to voice that sentiment (do you see why?) > > Who said anything about France (Who are all cheese-eating, bad > cigarette smoking cowards. This week, anyway). > > As far as the British military goes, who even questioned their > testosterone levels? Or that of the French military for that matter. > Or of the Iraqi military. > > Kevin was DEFENDING the British military guys from Wayne's attack. > > You should be yelling at Wayne for calling them foolish killers. > > Wayne did not say that he was against war and we should not have gone > into Iraq. Had he said that, I would have wholeheartedly agreed. He > did not say he was against the politicians who got us into the war, or > against the fanatical religious leaders and dictators that gave > justification, or the military leaders who have made bad decisions and > cost lives. > > He said he was against the dogfaces, the men and women in uniform. > > Bad, bad Wayne. > > On 12/15/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok, here is what it said to me, and you tell me I am not wrong based on > what > > we've seen out of Kevin so far. > > > > There has been a media-fed and administration-generated sort of > collective > > insanity in the US in which those foreign countries who do not fall into > > lockstep with US policy are made out to be cowards or stupid or > ungrateful. > > Canada and France both come to mind in this context. > > > > Kevin as one of our handiest and best examples of ignorant acceptance of > > administration pablum has confused the British with the French. > Personally I > > think the French were quite wise to stay out of the current mess, and > that > > while they are hardly the most effective fighters they are far from > > cowardly. But that is neither here nor there. > > > > We are talking about the Brits, who, hello, are our allies in this war, > who > > have take a great deal of flack to be our allies, and who, like it or > not, > > are some of the bravest soldiers out there and always have been. I am > really > > ashamed that someone I know would have been ignorant enough to a) > confuse > > the two and b) say such a thing. All them thar uro-peens is alike. > Please > > note that though I say this as the holder of a British passport I am of > > French and Irish descent and we know damn well the Brits can fight. As > you > > people should too. They are right there with you in Iraq. What the hell > do > > you think that the bombs in London were about?? > > > > That such an effort should be trivialized by such a remark really > > embarrasses me. > > > > That being said, I can conceive of a necessary war so I don't know that > I > > agree with Wayne, but it is certainly a respectable point of view and > > Kevin's reaction to it may have single-handedly notched up the > perception of > > this country as a nest of benighted fools. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:188468 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
