> I find it the height of arrogance for you to say that "I took offense at the > grace someone led at our holiday party - I felt it should > non-denominational." This is perfect evidence that you want to deny people > their rights to practice their religion freely. If I said a public prayer, > there is only one way I could pray -- as a Christian, otherwise why pray? To > me, if I don't pray in the name of Jesus, the prayer is meaningless. That > is the very meaning of freedom of religion, that we can believe our own > doctrines and practice them. But, oh, we must not offend Beth, because she's > terribly sensitive about these things -- if we're going to offend Beth, we > better water down our beliefs -- because, gosh darn it, offending someone is > the worst sin of all!!!
So you find it appropriate for a supervisor to lead an entire department in a christian prayer and ask everyone to please bow their heads? You would agree that requiring the entire staff asked to participate in a prayer that only applies to 2/3'rds of them is appropriate? If your boss asked you to kneel towards the east before eating at work you would happily do so? I am afraid I wouldn't - he is entitled to kneel at the party, but I am not doing it. and I am not appreciative of him asking either. It is certainly not an example of my denying the rights of others to pray that I took offense at something anyway. Where did it say I prevented others from praying? Actually, MY RIGHTS were the ones denied in this case - I should NOT be asked to bow my head in prayer at work. Period end of sentence. > This thing about evidence really gets my goat -- are you absolutely denying > that you haven't said that religious people should not be able to use public > facilities? Are you denying you ever said that? I mean, if you're denying > it, then, well, I'm wrong, you're not hostile to religious people. But if > you are, then the evidence is in your own words. Because to deny anybody > their fundamental, constitutionally protected rights is to treat them as > second class citizens, which is a form of hostility. If you can't see that, > sorry, I can't help you any further. I haven't said that religious people shouldn't use public facilities. SHOW ME WHERE? WHERE? It never happened. I have said that a school club shouldn't be religious. For a public school club to be religious breaks the separation between church and state. You are welcome to disagree with this statement. You are entitled to your opinion about it. But you are not entitled to make slanderous statements about my character and my prejudices. Especially since you cant' back them up, AT ALL. > > Furthermore, I haven't made any assumptions. I have your own words to go on. > The evidence is plain and clear. Just read your own posts. Just read this > post. > > Furthermore, I'm also irritated because I posted a rather conciliatory > note -- as conciliatory as possible without retracting my opinions -- and I > expected that to be the end of it. Instead of taking the olive branch, you > have chosen to continue this emotionally-charged debate with more angry > words, words that are not substantiated by the plain evidence and only > further enflame the situation. Your note most certainly wasn't concilatory, You just changed your tune from me being an anti-christian bigot to being an anti-religious bigot. I am neither, thus I asked for where I wrote things that would make you say this. You haven't quoted any. > > You're not going to bully me into backing down, Beth. No matter how much you > twist my words, I will restate my position over and over, whether you want > to believe it or not. With each post you make, the evidence mounts as to > your true feelings. > Where have I twisted your words? I am not bullying you, I am defending myself and my integrity. HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF BIGOTRY? How dare you. No matter how ridiculous your statements here have been I haven't accused you of being a religious fanatic who wants every kid to pray to jesus before class and learn creationism in biology class. I haven't accused you of wanting to force your religion on others. I haven't accused you of anything - I have asked for evidence of your accusations of me. You haven't offered a single shred of evidence. If I were like you - I would have accused you of all those things. And where is all this "evidence" ? You haven't shown a single example where I said anything anti christian, or nor have you shown where I said a public group shouldn't be using a public building. Quite frankly, your credibility is disappearing by the second. For a time I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I think your a witch hunter and this witch thinks you can stuff it. ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
