Larry,

You might have, but I can tell you this. I sat there and saw this manual as you 
call it, with the test that comes along with it.

And here is the clincher.

The book is typically considered the ‘bible’ for any professional who makes 
psychiatric diagnoses in the United States and many other countries.

Now with the test that has been designed in conjunction with this manual 
(DSM-IV) or the 2002 version DSM-IVTR.

I wont get into a debate on this, I have a cousin who has been autistic for 10 
years and we have been to all the support and information nights by 
professionals in this area.

And I never said they where linked, I said they all belong to the same spectrum 
and it is even documented by the person who discivered Asperger in the early 
1900's not sure the exact year but I think from memory it was around 1934:-)




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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 December 2006 12:18 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Education (Was: Pet Peeve)

>Actually Larry you are wrong again.
>
>The manual as you put it is for specially trained people in that area, and
>it is up to those people from the results of the test, to diagnose and
>identify what is wrong with someone.

I know, I took 2 semesters on the DSM-IV during grad school. I am an ABD, (all 
but dissertation). I told my dissertation committee to take a flying f**k and 
walked during my defense. FWIW my dissertation was on attentional processing, 
vigilance and hypnotic susceptibility. So I think I know a little bit on 
attention and cognition.

>
>Now as I said before, I am no expert but I am very closely related to
>someone who had this test, and has ADHD (mild case) but has been diagnosed
>with aspergers. Now the report is very detailed based on this manual and yes
>I have read the report, and it outlines the problems with the person in
>great detail.

Try this link:
http://apt.rcpsych.org/cgi/reprint/7/4/310 

Diagnosis and differential diagnosis of Asperger syndrome -- Michael Fitzgerald 
& Aiden Corvin  -- Advances in Psychiatric Treatment (2001), vol. 7, pp. 
310–318

Its an interesting review of the available research on Asperger's, and possible 
links to ADHD, OCD and other conditions. Here's the critical part:

--
Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) presents with inattention, 
distractability, fidgetiness, impulsivity and hyperactivity. Persons with HFA
spectrum disorders may be hyperactive, impulsive, have a short attention span 
and share similar executive function deficits as patients with ADHD. The 
conditions differ in that ADHD lacks the classic impairment in reciprocal 
social interaction, narrow interests, repetitive routines and non-verbal 
problems of Asperger syndrome. In accordance with a hierarchical rule in 
DSM–IV, a person meeting the criteria for a pervasive developmental 
disorder cannot be diagnosed as having ADHD. This is not
the case in ICD–10, in which a dual diagnosis of Asperger syndrome and 
ADHD is possible.

Gillberg & Ehlers (1998) point out that children who meet criteria for ADHD may 
also meet the full criteria for Asperger syndrome. They mention one study, in 
which 21% of children with severe ADHD met the full criteria for Asperger 
syndrome and 36% showed autistic traits. A developmental history is usually 
sufficient to separate ADHD from Asperger syndrome, but ADHD can present as 
soon as the child can walk, and it is important to consider that impulsivity 
can interfere with social relationships,
making children appear unempathic. Indeed, children with ADHD can be so easily 
distracted that they appear to be in a world of their own and therefore seem 
socially disconnected. It is not surprising, therefore, that children with 
Asperger
syndrome are not uncommonly misdiagnosed as having ADHD, since it is often the 
attention and hyperactive problems that parents first observe. 
--

So in other words, while there are some similarities the neurological basis for 
the problems are different (see my previous posting), and the eitiology is 
different, with ADHD manifesting considerably earlier than Asperger's Syndrom. 



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