One of the psych-trained folks on the list please correct me if I'm wrong,
but aren't children younger than about 6 years of age unable to tell the
difference between real and pretend? and therefore not understand the
concept of their actions?

-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:08 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> 
> 
> where did I say that?
> 
> Everyone has the right to defend themselves, 3 year olds can 
> be restrained,
> by virtually anybody...
> 
> I'm taking exception to the swift right hand remarks and the general
> consenus taken by you also that violence is acceptable against young
> children. 
> 
> The comparison between being attacked by a 3 year old child 
> and a 30 year
> old adult is ridiculos, they are absolutely different 
> situations.  One is an
> adult totally responsable for his actions, the other is 
> little more than a
> baby.
> 
> If you thnk you can justify violence against young children, 
> you'll have to
> try harder than that.....
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 25 February 2002 16:01
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> 
> 
> AHHh so if a 30 year old fractures your skull you fight back 
> but if its a 3
> year old you just smile and let him keep fracturing until you're dead
> 
> Sounds like a good idea to me
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Wheatley
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> 
> 
> > Don't you guys think that slapping around an already 
> (obviously) disturbed
> 3
> > year is
> > a) immoral - hes just a baby really regardless of his behaviour
> > b) impractical - it'll probably turn him into a psycho
> >
> > >>>One swift right hand and all fracturing stop.
> > Not true, it will just reinforce his believe that violence 
> is acceptable
> and
> > an effective way of resolving conflict
> >
> > This kind've behaviour does happen all over the world, and 
> its normally
> down
> > to bad parenting, or a traumatised childhood.
> >
> > I'm not saying his behaviour is acceptable, if any of you 
> think imposing
> > violence of a 3 year old child is acceptable, take a good 
> look in the
> mirror
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ledwith, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 25 February 2002 15:20
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >
> >
> > As tempting as it is, with so many Americans being so 
> lawsuit-happy, we
> have
> > to think twice (or 3 or 4 times) before we do that.  
> Although, if that kid
> > started assaulting me......
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:24 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >
> >
> > One swift right hand and all fracturing stop.
> >
> > I cannot believe an adult would allow themselves to be attacked by a
> > damned three year old in the first place. Utterly rediculous, and I
> > think only in America. In Trinidad the child would have been soundly
> > smacked.All tantrums stop Fas Fas.
> >
> > -Gel
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Beth Fleischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > <sigh> I used to judge kids throwing violent tantrums in 
> the supermarket
> > - but then I saw this show on HBO about some poor family 
> who adopted a
> > FAS kid.  The kids is incredibly volatile and can attack 
> with incredible
> > force, biting, kicking - his mom has to sit on him and hold his arms
> > down, away from his face to stop his tantrums. He is only 
> 7.  When he is
> > not tantruming, he tells the camera he hates himself for 
> how he acts but
> > he cant' stop it.
> >
> > I expect there is something really wrong with a three year old who
> > fractures an adult skull with a toy truck.
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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