But then again, Michael, that's YOUR 4-year-old 
;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:27 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> 
> 
> I haven't taken a child psych course in 10 years, but I 
> believe that you may be correct, but at a much earlier age. I 
> know my 4 year old is quite aware of what pretend is and what 
> is not. On the other hand, my 1 year old just hasn't told me yet. :)
> Real and pretend are concepts that probably come into a 
> child's thinking around 2 or 3. But again, it's been years 
> and I can be wrong on this.
> 
> At 11:14 AM 2/25/02, you wrote:
> >One of the psych-trained folks on the list please correct me 
> if I'm wrong,
> >but aren't children younger than about 6 years of age unable 
> to tell the
> >difference between real and pretend? and therefore not understand the
> >concept of their actions?
> >
> >-Ben
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:08 AM
> >> To: CF-Community
> >> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> where did I say that?
> >> 
> >> Everyone has the right to defend themselves, 3 year olds can 
> >> be restrained,
> >> by virtually anybody...
> >> 
> >> I'm taking exception to the swift right hand remarks and 
> the general
> >> consenus taken by you also that violence is acceptable 
> against young
> >> children. 
> >> 
> >> The comparison between being attacked by a 3 year old child 
> >> and a 30 year
> >> old adult is ridiculos, they are absolutely different 
> >> situations.  One is an
> >> adult totally responsable for his actions, the other is 
> >> little more than a
> >> baby.
> >> 
> >> If you thnk you can justify violence against young children, 
> >> you'll have to
> >> try harder than that.....
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: 25 February 2002 16:01
> >> To: CF-Community
> >> Subject: Re: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> AHHh so if a 30 year old fractures your skull you fight back 
> >> but if its a 3
> >> year old you just smile and let him keep fracturing until 
> you're dead
> >> 
> >> Sounds like a good idea to me
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Bill Wheatley
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:26 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Don't you guys think that slapping around an already 
> >> (obviously) disturbed
> >> 3
> >> > year is
> >> > a) immoral - hes just a baby really regardless of his behaviour
> >> > b) impractical - it'll probably turn him into a psycho
> >> >
> >> > >>>One swift right hand and all fracturing stop.
> >> > Not true, it will just reinforce his believe that violence 
> >> is acceptable
> >> and
> >> > an effective way of resolving conflict
> >> >
> >> > This kind've behaviour does happen all over the world, and 
> >> its normally
> >> down
> >> > to bad parenting, or a traumatised childhood.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not saying his behaviour is acceptable, if any of you 
> >> think imposing
> >> > violence of a 3 year old child is acceptable, take a good 
> >> look in the
> >> mirror
> >> >
> >> > M
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Ledwith, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: 25 February 2002 15:20
> >> > To: CF-Community
> >> > Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As tempting as it is, with so many Americans being so 
> >> lawsuit-happy, we
> >> have
> >> > to think twice (or 3 or 4 times) before we do that.  
> >> Although, if that kid
> >> > started assaulting me......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:24 AM
> >> > To: CF-Community
> >> > Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > One swift right hand and all fracturing stop.
> >> >
> >> > I cannot believe an adult would allow themselves to be 
> attacked by a
> >> > damned three year old in the first place. Utterly 
> rediculous, and I
> >> > think only in America. In Trinidad the child would have 
> been soundly
> >> > smacked.All tantrums stop Fas Fas.
> >> >
> >> > -Gel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Beth Fleischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >
> >> > <sigh> I used to judge kids throwing violent tantrums in 
> >> the supermarket
> >> > - but then I saw this show on HBO about some poor family 
> >> who adopted a
> >> > FAS kid.  The kids is incredibly volatile and can attack 
> >> with incredible
> >> > force, biting, kicking - his mom has to sit on him and 
> hold his arms
> >> > down, away from his face to stop his tantrums. He is only 
> >> 7.  When he is
> >> > not tantruming, he tells the camera he hates himself for 
> >> how he acts but
> >> > he cant' stop it.
> >> >
> >> > I expect there is something really wrong with a three 
> year old who
> >> > fractures an adult skull with a toy truck.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> 
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