I don't know the book, but answers like this scare the hell out of *me*... why is it that people who are in favor of de-funding the government also favor turning our civil liberties over to its tender mercies?
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:05 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruce, you may enjoy the book "Boyd", by Robert Coram. > > For a Different Spin on the pentagon, and leaks and whatnot. > > FWIW, I'm horribly frightened whenever I hear "yes" as the answer to > this question: > > "Mommy, should I trust the government?" > > -- > "No" > > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William Bowen wrote: > > > > > > The NYT reports that the US Government (contrary to public statements) > > > is expanding the war in Vietnam and has proof. and that's > > > irresponsible journalism? > > > > > And what was wrong with that? OK, another broken promise by the > > President but so what? Happens all the time. No one actually expects > > elected officials to keep the promises they make do they? At least not > > in the real world. And you don't need to be reporting about secret > > operations that happened. They are supposed to be secret for a reason. > > In hindsight though I guess blame really needs to be put on the assholes > > who leak information to the press. But still, the press should consider > > acting more responsibly. > > > > > > > >> Exposing that the Treasury Department is monitoring terror funding > > >> (Terrorist Finance Tracking Program). > > >> > > > > > > The NYT (along with LA Times and WSJ) "expose" a bank monitoring > > > scheme (that had already been mentioned in smaller stories about > > > SWIFT) that was being conducted in violation of privacy laws in an > > > allied nation. Only, of course the NYT is actually accused of > > > wrong-doing, though, not LA Times or WSJ. Please do not try to tell me > > > that 'the terrorists' were not already acutely aware that their funds > > > were being watched. > > > > > I concede this one to you since it was already mentioned before the big > > papers got wind of it. > > > > > > > >> Reporting that Pres. Bush authorize the NSA to eavesdrop on Americans > > >> and Others in the US without court-approved warrants. > > >> > > > > > > Which, again, was true. And why should we need the protection of > > > judicial oversight, after all, if you're not doing anything wrong, why > > > should you worry about the government listening in? We should trust > > > that the government is always going to do the right thing, right? > > > > > Right, if you are not doing anything wrong, then there are no worries. I > > know I sleep well at night knowing that my phone calls are not being > > monitored. And even if they are, big whoop. I am not doing anything > > wrong, so again no worries. > > > > > > > >> Some of these issues puts the entire nation and possibly the world at > > >> risk. > > >> > > > > > > Which of them? Exposing the government in a baldfaced lie? With > > > evidence? Exposing an already known monitoring scheme that was > > > breaking the laws of a sovereign nation with the complicity of that > > > nation's government? Or doing an end-run around our freedoms and right > > > to privacy? > > > > > > > > I would say the third one. Performing wiretaps without court approval is > > not a big deal IMO. We don't need to let the world know we are doing > > this. So now they know, and terrorists who may have been under > > monitoring are now going to find alternate means of communication to > > carry out their plans, whatever they may be. All the paranoid loonies > > who are whining about this are just that. Paranoid loonies who think > > that the government is listening to everyone. News flash. They ain't. > > They only care about suspected terrorists. And if you think that your > > phones are being tapped, then you are either doing something wrong or > > you need to get over yourself because I doubt anyone on this list is > > that important to the government. > > > > >> Now I know that they always cry first amendment rights and what > > >> not, but at what cost is it worth printing things that really should > not > > >> be printed at all just to make a few bucks? > > >> > > > > > > Hey, maybe they shouldn't report on the cannibal killer guy either, > > > cause he's fucked up and obviously sick, we wouldn't want the world to > > > know that this sort of animal lives among us, right? > > > > > Now your just being silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:255213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
