William Bowen wrote: > > The NYT reports that the US Government (contrary to public statements) > is expanding the war in Vietnam and has proof. and that's > irresponsible journalism? > And what was wrong with that? OK, another broken promise by the President but so what? Happens all the time. No one actually expects elected officials to keep the promises they make do they? At least not in the real world. And you don't need to be reporting about secret operations that happened. They are supposed to be secret for a reason. In hindsight though I guess blame really needs to be put on the assholes who leak information to the press. But still, the press should consider acting more responsibly. > >> Exposing that the Treasury Department is monitoring terror funding >> (Terrorist Finance Tracking Program). >> > > The NYT (along with LA Times and WSJ) "expose" a bank monitoring > scheme (that had already been mentioned in smaller stories about > SWIFT) that was being conducted in violation of privacy laws in an > allied nation. Only, of course the NYT is actually accused of > wrong-doing, though, not LA Times or WSJ. Please do not try to tell me > that 'the terrorists' were not already acutely aware that their funds > were being watched. > I concede this one to you since it was already mentioned before the big papers got wind of it. > >> Reporting that Pres. Bush authorize the NSA to eavesdrop on Americans >> and Others in the US without court-approved warrants. >> > > Which, again, was true. And why should we need the protection of > judicial oversight, after all, if you're not doing anything wrong, why > should you worry about the government listening in? We should trust > that the government is always going to do the right thing, right? > Right, if you are not doing anything wrong, then there are no worries. I know I sleep well at night knowing that my phone calls are not being monitored. And even if they are, big whoop. I am not doing anything wrong, so again no worries. > >> Some of these issues puts the entire nation and possibly the world at >> risk. >> > > Which of them? Exposing the government in a baldfaced lie? With > evidence? Exposing an already known monitoring scheme that was > breaking the laws of a sovereign nation with the complicity of that > nation's government? Or doing an end-run around our freedoms and right > to privacy? > > I would say the third one. Performing wiretaps without court approval is not a big deal IMO. We don't need to let the world know we are doing this. So now they know, and terrorists who may have been under monitoring are now going to find alternate means of communication to carry out their plans, whatever they may be. All the paranoid loonies who are whining about this are just that. Paranoid loonies who think that the government is listening to everyone. News flash. They ain't. They only care about suspected terrorists. And if you think that your phones are being tapped, then you are either doing something wrong or you need to get over yourself because I doubt anyone on this list is that important to the government. >> Now I know that they always cry first amendment rights and what >> not, but at what cost is it worth printing things that really should not >> be printed at all just to make a few bucks? >> > > Hey, maybe they shouldn't report on the cannibal killer guy either, > cause he's fucked up and obviously sick, we wouldn't want the world to > know that this sort of animal lives among us, right? > Now your just being silly. > >
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