On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, David Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You make an excellent point, and in an ideal world, I actually agree with > you that marriage should be entirely a religious term defined on a > church-by-church basis as it sees fit, with a separate system of civil > unions that applies regardless of orientation. However, attempting to > divorce the religious marriage from the civil union will again be seen as > "redefining marriage", and so it will never pass. In fact, it would be > faced with an even bigger backlash, as we would then, in a very real way, be > "attacking other people's marriages." So that would never pass muster.
I can see that opening a new can of worms. If the Church doesn't sanction you're marriage people will assume you're gay. That could eventually water down the use of the term marriage but I guess that's the point you're making. They'll fight like hell to keep that from happening. I'm just thinking this out as I type so bear with me. > The bottom line is that we're not trying to redefine religious marriage > anyway. The equality we seek only extends to the civil protections of > marriage. The problem is that most people can't make the distinction, which > reinforces my previous point that we'd never reach a point of separation > between religious and civil marriage. OK. > So attempting to get civil unions everywhere would in effect leave us in a > limbo where we have marriages for straight people and civil unions for gay > people, and no way to rectify them. They'd be separate but equal. And we > all know how well separate but equal works. This confuses me; you don't want the religious aspect but won't accept anything less. I don't know enough about those supporting the ban to defend them; I just figure they can't all be haters. My argument is that equal but separate is a step closer while you think it's a step back. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:280596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
