On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:46 AM, denstar wrote: > >> In politics, I prefer "compromise" over "my way or the highway". I >> think. Who likes anything about politics? ;] > > Isn't Obama's favorite saying "We won?" > How much corruption and bribery was used to get the Obamacare forced > through against the will of the people? > > But you call that compromise.
It's all relative. :) As for "against the will of the people", I disagree. "Some people", maybe, but you can't please everybody all the time... >> Sounds like Populism, which was going strong long before the Tea >> Parties, I recently learned. ;) > > Tea parties are against excessive taxes and spending. That's a new phenomenon. Sure, if your lifespan is measured in thousands of years. :) And only a mentally challenged individual would think that the money comes from some "money fairy". You'd have to be "slow" to think you could cut taxes and increase spending and there wouldn't be any problems. Where did we think the money for War and Peace was going to come from- the spoils of war? Ha! Nobody could be /that/ silly... >> And why weren't there Tea Parties when the *cough*illegal*cough* >> wiretapping and crap was going down? That's when we should have been >> in the streets with torches. > > They were legal. We discussed this endlessly here. The government > doesn't need a warrant to tap al Qaeda and if you call al Qaeda expect > them to listen in. It's worse now under Obama and it's still not an > issue. Who's complaining about it? It was discussed for a while, and your summary paragraph doesn't even come close. Unless you think it's legal to let God Only Knows Who have our telephone records and whatnot. Heh. Plus, the built-in back doors on the telco equip. really is a super-cool idea-- just ask Greece! But that's legal, so we can't complain, I guess. People won't care until it's Too Late(tm). ;] >> I don't think they're getting away with it like the last >> administration seemed to. Where Bush and them seemed to just sorta >> say flatly, "no", this one tries to go "we not really, I, man, it's >> national security, yeah!"... fail. Public knowledge. :)p > > Wow, you aren't paying attention. Didn't Obama go six months without a > news conference? Did they ever respond to the Fox News question about > bribing a Senator with a job to not run again? > >> And that's the cynical bit in me. I'm no reporter, but a few people >> on the list have commented how they hope the next admin keeps up in >> the direction of transparency this one's been going. I agree, but >> maybe I've just been "spun", so to speak. =) > > I hope not. > > Obama's open government initiative failing in a big way ... > http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamas-open-government-initiative-failing-in-a-big-ways-90364464.html > I must be, because it *still* /feels/ like a more open government to me. I don't know if it'll ever be as open as I'd like, but there have been steps in the right direction. I wish the Republican party would make an open government one of their platform deals, and maybe drop the gay hating or anti-abortion stuff if they're all out of platform. :] >> Universal health care is un-american? >> >> After what went down with the last administration, *this* [insert >> incredulous expression] is the "our government is out of control" >> moment?!? > > Your programed outrage is misplaced. Seem like Huffpo want's you to be > angry about legal wiretaps but happy about bankrupting our country > with a strongarmed health care takeover. This health care system is > wrong and most people know it. It's just a few that still thing it's > utopia. "This" health care system can be changed. "This" health care system has the potential for transparency. It's a *lot* harder for the VA to sweep shit under the rug, than say, a private hospital. Health care is fucked up. I've had it up to here (holds hand at eye level) with this totally borked system. The Git-Darned-Government might do a better job, frankly. Plus, imagine if we can use the government to pool our resources! Like, use that buying power to get way expensive machines way cheaper, and other bulk-shopping type deals! Course we need reform in government contracts rather badly too, sooo.... eh. I still think health care is national infrastructure, and the .gov should be in it, as well as education. Public knowledge of medical stuff might be nifty too. At least we've got the right to demand transparency with the public sector. Don't have that right on the private side. >> I mean, don't get me wrong, we are like, the check on the power of our >> government, so whenever is clever... but *now*? Over /this/? > > Yeah! Wake up and see what's happening to your country man! For me, it's more about Liberty! Money isn't everything, man. :DeN -- Wars teach us not to love our enemies, but to hate our allies. W ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:318261 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
