Yea, I realize its probably not realistic, mostly because people, in
general, are dumb asses.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Eric Roberts
<ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> You can't just do that because without something to enforce
> non-discrimination, people will discriminate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA
> Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.
>
>
> Here is a novel idea. How about if the job, college admission, etc go
> to the most qualified candidates - PERIOD.
>
> It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc
> based on how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a
> job based on their skin color.
>
> I think that if all things are equal, it would be more fair to flip a
> coin or do 'rock paper scissors' than to use race or socio-economic
> status or any other distinguishing characteristics to determine who
> gets the job, college admission, etc.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "A list of successful blacks is actually indicative that the problems
> caused
>> by prejudice and racism have not been solved to the point where they can
> now
>> be ignored."
>>
>> In your eyes it may show that.
>>
>> To me, it points out the hypocrisy of saying someone is going to be poor
> or
>> not successful because of their skin color.
>>
>> There are a multitude of successful minorities, many of which are at the
> top
>> of the profession they have chosen.  If blacks or other minorities were
>> currently oppressed, there wouldn't be any to make a list of.
>>
>>
>> I am still waiting on evidence that affirmative action is still needed.
>>
>> There is a certain irony that if progressive hero Woodrow Wilson would not
>> have been elected, things would have progressed better than they have:
>>
>> Woodrow was only the 2nd Democrat elected after the Civil War and the
> first
>> from the South.  After election, a Jim Crow style of regulation took over
>> the Federal government.  Agencies that had been desegregated since the end
>> of the Civil War were re-segregated.  This includes the use of cafeterias
>> and bathrooms.  Many Black Managers were demoted or fired and no white was
>> allowed to report to a black manager.  Wilson's praise of the film "Birth
> of
>> a Nation", a film that glorified the KKK calling them heroes instead of
> the
>> enforcement arm of the Southern Democratic party, helped the film become a
>> blockbuster.  It also helped the KKK become a powerful political entity
> and
>> spread its influence to Northern and Midwestern states
>>
>>
>> So, after this, there was no doubt that affirmative action was needed.  In
>> my opinion, the time has passed.   If it wasn't, there is not way a Black
>> man would be sitting in the Oval Office.
>>
>> If affirmative action does have to exist, it should be strictly based on
>> economics.  As Judah asked, ""How do you determine your ethnicity? When
> the
>> census form comes to you, how do you go about figuring out what to put
>> down?"  There is too much potential for confusion and misinterpretation.
>> With economics, there is not.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>> -
>>
>> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
>> willing to work and give to those who would not. I think myself that we
> have
>> more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living
> on
>> the labor of the industrious. - Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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