On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 3:36 AM, denstar wrote:
>> The software and hardware are bound *tightly* for Macs, ya know?
>> Arguably the only reason to buy an MBP is because it runs OS X.  The
>> hardware ain't all that and a bag of chips, neh?
>
> There is an argument to be made that the tightly bound OS/hardware of
> Apple's OS is an advantage.  No hunting for drivers, no compatibility
> problems.  It just works.  The predictability and consistency of
> interfaces is nice for software driver makers.  So I'd say that yes,
> they are tightly bound.  But while some see this as a disadvantage,
> many others do not.  No argument really there, just a perseral point
> of view.

Oh, I wasn't saying it was a disadvantage, just that it's pretty hard
to separate the two where macs are concerned.  System76 machines are
doing something similar (certain hardware that is "certified" for
Linux), and I think Windows has had hardware certification for a while
now.

The wild west days of hardware incompatibility are going the way of
the Dodo.  I remember flipping DIP switches to battle IRQ conflicts
fondly.  ;-)

The mandated UI stuff is interesting.  The Iron Fist mentality has
made things more ubiquitous, interface-wise.  Some good stuff, some
bad stuff, there.

> I also won't argue the cost argument.  Yes they cost more generally.
> Just like cars.  Some people will want to spend more, some just want
> four wheels and an engine.  Coincidentally, CF "costs more" than PHP
> too.  It not an argument worth having for me - you like it or you
> don't.

Ooo, analogy!  I love them, tho they're as devilish as statistics.

*Eh hem*, CFML itself is the same "price" as PHP, thanks to Railo and
OpenBD--  Free.  And Railo goes faster than CF.  =)

I'd say the Mac/PC analogy is closer to leasing a car though.  Nothing
wrong with leasing... some people swear by it.

It's all about trade-offs.

> But the argument that MBP "does less" is just wrong.  It will run alot
> of different Operating Systems, including Windows, *NIX, and OSX.
> More than PC hardware typically does.  Natively.  THAT argument isn't
> even an argument, it's just level of education about the platform.

I wasn't saying MBPs "do less".  They do exactly *one* thing more--
run OS X.  A typical PC can natively do *everything* an Apple machine
can, except that.  And it's an artificial constraint!  Lawyers are
responsible for it, not the hardware.
Level of education about the platform indeed.  ;-)

I'm not anti-apple, hard-core-like.  I don't like their business
practices, but I didn't like Microsoft's either, back in the day.  I
still used their products (like a pro, I might add).  I'm a
practicist.  =)

There are Apple memes that are just not true tho, and it doesn't do
anybody any good to proliferate 'em.  Especially when the company
itself is doing questionable stuff with it's proceeds.

I had to choose between a new Dell (limited models tho) and a new MBP
for the next gig, and I'm going for the MBP.  It makes more sense out
of the options available (and it's not my money ;]).  I go in with my
eyes open though-- which is what I've been advocating about, here.

I hope I haven't been construed as a hater-- I'm not.  I want to feel
good about Apple.

I want to feel good about owning a cell phone as well... I hear people
are exploited pretty badly to get the minerals necessary for lots of
chips and things.

Alas, practicality.

Such is life, neh?

:DeN

-- 
Sincerity is the way to he

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