Once more, these numbers are meaningless to my point (or to counter my point).
My point was, throwing more money at the problem may not be the best solution (I would go so far as to say I do not think its the best solution). Knowing what each country spends per student (either in straight up dollars or a % of GDP) is all well and good, but what I was referring to was how effective those dollars are. 'What is the return on investment?', if you will The article I read (or show I saw) addressed that question. Still looking BTW. We can spend $100,000 per year for each child, but if the schools graduate idiots than I say that is money wasted. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Also I find this set of stats very interesting: %GDP spending on education: > > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_pri_sch_stu-spending-per-primary-school-student > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu_pergdp-per-secondary-school-student-gdp > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu-spending-per-secondary-school-student > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> You also have to look at the sampling. For many of these international >> tests, only select groups (i.e., for many countries those bound for >> university or other higher ed programs) take these tests. If you did a >> similar comparison with US students in the same situation e.g., IB or >> AP programs, you'll find that US students do, on the average, at least >> as well as those other countries. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I did not say that we spend the most. I said that if 'I remember >>> correctly' (see that little disclaimer there?) there were a lot of >>> countries that send less but do a better job educating. >>> >>> Just showing what countries spend is only half the data. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'd like to see the stats for that. >>>> >>>> According to UNESCO the US is #36 on per capita spending on primary >>>> school students (i.e., K-6). Most of the EU, Britain, Canada, >>>> Australia, New Zealand, etc., spend more or the same as the US per >>>> student. >>>> >>>> So lets try another myth. >>>> >>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_pub_spe_per_stu_pri_lev-spending-per-student-primary-level >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah yes, the spoiled brat theory. The best time to kick someone is when >>>>>> they are down. They'll never learn until their constituents are >>>>>> starving in the street. Well, actually, they already are and the >>>>>> politicians aren't learning. So lets try kicking them harder, trash >>>>>> the education system further, increase childhood hunger rates and see >>>>>> what happens. I know that you don't actually believe that trashing the >>>>>> education system is a good idea, that you don't want childhood hunger >>>>>> rates to increase, etc. You want fiscal discipline and accountability >>>>>> from politicians, which is admirable. I want that too. But right now >>>>>> I'm a lot more concerned about having teachers in our schools, cops on >>>>>> the streets and children being fed. >>>>> >>>>> I will need to look it up, but I recall reading an article (or maybe >>>>> saw a news show) where it showed that other countries (and if I >>>>> remember correctly, a LOT of other countries) spend less per student >>>>> than than the US, yet they were kicking our ass when it comes to >>>>> actually educating students. >>>>> >>>>> There is a problem with our education system,but I am not sure that >>>>> blindly throwing gobs of money at it is the best solution. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, I think I would rather we took the money form stealth >>>>> bombers rather than food stamps - for anything, not just education. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Scott Stroz >>>>> --------------- >>>>> You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >>>>> wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris >>>>> >>>>> http://xkcd.com/386/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:324720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
