Yes, that is another piece of the picture. But is the fear that someone may be fired for political or other bogus reasons really such a concern that we make firing people for completely valid reasons...all but impossible?
I dunno...just seems like the pendulum has swung entirely too far in one direction. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote: > > That definitely is a piece of picture. The other side of it, however, > is that the Federal government tends to have very specialized > employees who are not easily replaceable. You can't just go down to a > work center or post an ad on Craigslist and pick up a qualified air > traffic controller tomorrow. Look at the thousands of people who are > being laid off from NASA right now due to the demise of the space > shuttle program. They really don't have comparable jobs anywhere else > in the country. Probably not anywhere else in the world, really. > Furthermore, the specialized jobs that a lot of the federal workforce > does isn't really tied to economic cycles. The CDC is doing CDC stuff > regardless of whether we are in a recession or in a boom time. > > So the low attrition is a combination of specialization, different > funding patterns and a rules structure designed to make sure that > people, once trained, stay in those roles and aren't easily tossed out > due to political pressure, etc. I think that a lot of federal agencies > have taken it too far and that, as you noted, there is an imperative > to get incompetent people out of those jobs, especially in vital > services (like air traffic control). Fundamentally, however, I don't > believe that it is the primary cause behind the statistics cited > regarding attrition. > > Judah > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:22 PM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> Death More Common Than Layoff in Fed. Agencies > >> > >> Excerpt: > >> > >> Job security is hard to come by for many Americans but not for federal > >> employees, USA Today reports. > >> > >> Rather than poor performance, misconduct or layoffs, death is the > primary > >> threat to job security in the federal government, the paper reports. > Only > >> 27 > >> of 35,000 federal attorneys were fired last year. None was laid off. > Death > >> claimed 33. > >> > >> The job security rate for all federal workers was 99.43 percent last > year, > >> and nearly 100 percent for those on the job more than a few years. > >> > > > > Talk to ANY poor soul who has had to manage people in a federal > agency...you > > won't believe the horror stories. > > > > It took my friend a little over 2 and a half years to get a woman fired > who > > simply was not doing her job. He literally had to track her activities > for > > months at a time, writing down when she came in, left, went to lunch, > etc. > > etc. He had to present his entire report to a committee that was > overhearing > > the "trial" he had to request to be scheduled in order to determine if > she > > would be fired or not. > > > > My brother manages a major air traffic tower. If he wants to fire > someone > > for incompetence or any other reason, he has to follow a similar > > procedure....months of monitoring and documenting, then presenting this > to a > > committee for consideration. > > > > These are air traffic controllers!!!! Even one day of incompetence on the > > job is unforgivable. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:340694 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
