He didn't convince me of anything.  He made a nice, reliable product and I
bought them.  The idea that buying a product constitutes brainwashing is
laughable.  I've owned a lot of Fords and several Hondas for the same reason
- they provide something I need - in this case, transportation, and they are
reliable.  Does that mean I've been brainwashed by Ford and Honda.  Not
likely.  I used HP products for years - in fact, for the last decade I
bought nothing else in the PC product line.  Every single one I bought has I
failed.  I won't be buying any more.  Does that mean I was brainwashed by HP
and now I've become un-brainwashed?

I've never seen Jobs quoted as saying "you're holding it wrong" regarding
the iPhone, but if he did, he was likely joking.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> As for his arrogance, I can sum up how I got that in one sentence:
> "You're holding it wrong" - which was Jobs' reply to people who
> complained about dropped calls and antenna problems with the iPhone 4.
>
> My MacBook Pro has been very reliable. However, it has not been more
> reliable than any other computer I have owned. As a matter of fact, it
> has been less so. Two years ago the video card on my MBP needed to be
> replaced  - it was only about a year old at that point. I owned
> several Dells before that and never had any problems with them -
> matter of fact one of them still functions as my 'media server'
> running Linux.
>
> Maybe snake oil salesman is not the best analogy. Cult leader might be
> more fitting. Brain washer, maybe. He convinced millions of people
> they _needed_ his over priced gadgets - myself included.
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Maureen <mamamaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would disagree.  Snake oil salesmen sell products that don't work.  One
> of
> > the main reasons I buy Apple products is that they are reliable. They do
> > what they are designed to and do it well.  If other computer
> manufacturers
> > want to emulate Jobs, that quality is what they should strive for.
> >
> > I'm saying this after a month of dealing with the failure of every
> computer
> > in my office EXCEPT the Macs.
> >
> > I also liked Jobs as a person.  I found him generous, soft-spoken,
> extremely
> > intelligent and always willing to listen.  Not arrogant at all, so I
> don't
> > know where you get your opinion of him.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Jobs did not bring technology to the average person. He convinced the
> >> average person they should buy his over priced gadgets. He was more of
> >> a snake oil salesman than anything else.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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