If you don't think people on welfare know a thing or two about
managing money then you are an idiot. Having spent time growing up on
welfare, I can tell you that people tend to know exactly where every
single penny is going. Because there are no extra pennies.

The problem (and this is something I've suffered from) is that you
only know how to deal with hand to mouth. There is no experience
investing extra money because there has never been extra money. If you
somehow happen to have a bit more at the end of a month, that is (at
best) getting put into a savings account because you know that you'll
be short again sometime soon. The short months always outnumber the
ones that aren't. That's why you're fucking poor.

Right now I'm 38 and doing fairly well. Paid off a good portion of my
debt. I haven't emptied my savings account in several years. Still
pushing toward getting the mythical 6 months of living expenses solid
in my savings account. And I know that I really ought to be creating
not just a savings plan but an actual investment plan. But I still
haven't. Know why? It's because I grew up poor, I see the bullshit in
the markets and the manipulation and I have a hard time trusting
anyone else with my money because I'm used to not having enough.

I'm a really fucking smart guy. I know numbers and compound interest.
I have a math degree. I've got everything going for me that the woman
you are talking about doesn't. But I still haven't gotten completely
over the hump psychologically. It isn't about expecting the State to
take care of you. That may be true for a small minority of people but
largely it is a red herring. It is about expectations. Expecting to
get screwed over by the system. Expecting the rich to have theirs and
plenty of yours too. About knowing that when you are poor, chances are
pretty good that you're gong to stay poor. That shit is hard to shake,
believe me.

I'm all in favor of education. Helping people understand finance,
economics, budgeting...good stuff. That isn't the real problem though.
That will help, but it isn't the real problem. The real problem is
inequality. It is poverty. It's a lack of jobs. It's a poor education.
It is a legacy of not being able to realistically believe that working
hard and saving your pennies will result in a truly different life.
Until you solve those problems, financial education won't get people
very far.

You can lecture people on welfare all you want about how to save money
but welfare sure as shit ain't going to give them two pennies to rub
together.

Judah

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/18/2012 6:03 PM, Maureen wrote:
>>
>> It's a bit of a leap of logic to take the actions of one poorly
>> educated person and label an entire class of people as ignorant.
>
> Financially ignorant.
>
>> Although I will agree with that throwing money at it is not the
>> solution.  Education about how to manage money would be a much better
>> tactic.
>
> People complain about the state of social security.  Well, if people
> knew how to plan for retirement, it might not be as much of an issue.  I
> am not suggesting making everyone millionaires, as that just isn't
> possible, but enough to live on without government assistance after
> retiring is the goal.
>
> I would be willing for social welfare to come with a few strings
> attached, namely that the recipient is required to become educated in
> the basic principles of finance, if they are ab

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