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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think that's kinda true except I started from supporting him and I gather
> you didn't
>
>  support due to his actions in regards to privacy,
>
>
> definitely a disappointment in this area
>
>
> > in continuing Bush era policies,
>
>
> and this one
>
>
> > in the ever growing national debt and the horrible economy.
>
>
> Inherited, and handicapped by the mistaken assumption that the Republicans
> would do the right thing. So his error, sure. But there is more than enough
> blame to go around on this one, starting with the disastrous tax policies
> of his predecessor.
>
>
> > He
> > has shown time and again that he doesn't feel the need to meet his
> campaign
> > promises (or those given in office)
>
>
> he tries to show good faith but he concedes way too much upfront to people
> who have publicly pledged not to compromise with him.
>
>
> > and he is failing to inspire the youth
> > vote
>
>
> duh, after all that, was he inspiring *anyone*?
>
>
> > and the independent vote the way he did last election, so in
> > traditional wag the dog manner, with Houdini like reflexes, he's changed
> > everyone's focus.
> >
> I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say something closer to maybe he said what
> the hell, I'll either win or I won't and if I lose it may as well be for
> trying to do what I want for a change....
>
> That's my take
>
>
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > once Biden opened his mouth Obama would have looked weak if he tried to
> > > spin it. And the Defense of Marriage crew weren't going to be on his
> side
> > > for the most part anyway, with the exception of the fundamentalist
> black
> > > community. They are the question mark. Don't think they'll vote against
> > > Obama but they might not vote for him.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think that he was simply being honest about what he thought about
> > > > it. I guess he would have preferred to wait but after Biden decided
> to
> > > > speak out, he thought he had no real reason not to.
> > > >
> > > > Essentially it may be an empty issue, and best to get it out of the
> > > > way now rather than at a more critical point in the election. Which
> is
> > > > probably good because it shifts the conversation to more important
> > > > things, like the record of Mitt Romney viciously assaulting other
> kids
> > > > with scissors. during high school
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree....this does not seem to help him politically...at least in
> > the
> > > > > short term. I thought that was refreshing.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT....politicians rarely do things that don't seem to help them
> > > > > politically....so maybe the Obama folks see a different angle on
> this
> > > > that
> > > > > I don't.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons <
> > larrycly...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> He really gains nothing from it. If anything it hurts him.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The teahadis who are mostly against same sex marriage are not
> going
> > to
> > > > >> vote for him anyhow. Those on the left will probably vote for him
> > > > >> regardless, what other choice do they have. It will cost him with
> a
> > > > >> lot of conservative black voters though. They are not going to
> vote
> > > > >> for Mittens, but they most likely will just stay home in November.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:31 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Political move to secure his left wing in an upcoming election
> > year
> > > > >> cycle.
> > > > >> > No more no less.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Eric Roberts <
> > > > >> > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> yeah...that was awesome.  it is never too late to do the right
> > > thing.
> > > > >> >> Biden did sorta give him a kick in the backside on this.  Go
> Joe!
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > I usually am not that engaged on this issue, but I did want
> to
> > > > note in
> > > > >> >> > passing that I applaud Obama for saying something about this
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > >> >> > conventional wisdom was that it was not in his own best
> > interests
> > > > to
> > > > >> do
> > > > >> >> so.
> > > > >> >> > Even if he was pushed :) He still did the right thing and I
> > > think a
> > > > >> >> little
> > > > >> >> > less cynically of him now because he did.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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