"I can't, other than logic, and reality, and the evening news...and some statistics, i guess. "
Okay. I can't call you a zealot then since you acknowledge that there are holes in the argument. "It can be hard to find stats for "successful uses of a gun in self defense" however." Only bad news makes the news. "Yes, i know that opinion.....i hear it a lot. Can't fathom it. Totally boggles my mind." See the aforementioned FBI studies about lower violence. It might help you fathom it. J - Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd. - Bertrand Russell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:356715 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm