War crimes, do tell On Jul 15, 2014 1:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > We are also responsible for buying Israel's weapons of war and for not > recognizing the Hamas government and guiding into a more peaceful mode. By > not recognizing a democratically elected government, we forced it further > into the shadows and further into violence as they feel very betrayed and > don't trust anyone as an honest broker. We are also responsible for not > holding Israel accountable for their excess and for their war crimes. > Every > attempt by the UN to do so was vetoed by us. Prior to the 1st Gulf War, > Israel had more sanction proposals levied against them that Saddam's Iraq > did...by like 3 times. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. > > You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral > culpability" I believe. > > And I don't think it falls on any one group. > > Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the situation to > sink to the point they have to. > Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well the > consequences of their actions. > The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists their > elected government, knowing full well the type of government to expect. > The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops are > culpable. > Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. > The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into those > camps, and using them as pawns. > Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. > America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better > solution > 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. > > There are degrees of culpability. > > But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me > solidify). > > There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. None. > Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping their > military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to force a response > from Israel, causing destruction and death to their own people, and then > crying foul. > > They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! > > All else flows from those rockets. > > And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only tactic. > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any counter > > attacks. > > > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, > > rather, who is responsible for the deaths. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized by > Egypt. > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles On Jul > > > 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <sammyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles into > > > > Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make them stop > > > > or they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, Mexico > > > > called, emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the houses, > > > > churches and schools that were firing the missiles explaining when > > > > and where the bombs would land. If the ranchers rallied more > > > > people to go to the target sites to die for the cause than that's > > > > on the ranchers and the people that showed up at the scheduled > > > > time. Unless Mexico went to the sites and checked, how would they > > > > know if civilians were there? Then you have to say to yourself, if > > > > these people are willing to die to send a message, they are > > > > probably willing to strap a bomb on and go to a crowded market so > > > > good riddance. But no, the Mexican government sends more notices > > > > pleading people to leave the targets at the given times, they use > > > > more precise weapons to limit casualties and they still get called > > > > the terrorist. It's called propaganda and you are buying into it. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and > > > > > civilians > > > that > > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would be > > absolved > > > > of > > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we > > > > > like, > > but > > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371579 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
