Alrighty, just don't be sore with me when you were reading too much into it. I wouldn't want to see anyone shot summarily unless its wartime. Which means without a trial.
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: Re: A good american > funny you should mention the term condescending jerk. I never felt bad, > Bill. Have a nice day :) > > Dana > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:27:21 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > *HUGS* hope you feel better today dana :) > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Wheatley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:22 AM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> And it's nice to know Canadians can be condescending jerks sometimes too > > ;) > >> > >> > >> "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > >> good > >> with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> off!" > >> Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> > >> > Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The > > military > >> > service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify that > > you > >> > are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You have > >> to > >> > disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have > >> never > >> > advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about > >> eight > >> > pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with all > >> the > >> > requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application fee > > of > >> > $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants that > >> I > >> > have ever heard. > >> > > >> > I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I > >> have > >> > already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I did > > not > >> > see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the > >> error > > of > >> > my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would have > >> zero > >> > effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. > >> > > >> > Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. > >> > > >> > Dana > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free > >> way > >> for > >> > > you to do it LOL. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > >> good > >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> off!" > >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I need > >> to > >> > >> get > >> > >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. > >> > >> > >> > >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had > > enlisted > >> > > for > >> > >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for people > > to > >> > >> get > >> > >> citizenship. > >> > >> > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> > >> William Wheatley writes: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being proposed > > to > >> > > give > >> > >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I think its a great idea > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > > was > >> > > good > >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> people > >> > > off!" > >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM > >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my > >> question. > > I > >> > > for > >> > >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this > >> reason. > > If > >> > > the US > >> > >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. > >> Might > >> > >> still > >> > >> > lead > >> > >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual > >> function. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Dana > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > John Stanley writes: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. > >> I > >> > >> think > >> > >> > that if > >> > >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you > > object > >> > >> to > >> > >> > killing > >> > >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another > >> job, > >> > >> but > >> > >> > still on > >> > >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to > > do > >> > >> > whatever my > >> > >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do > >> the > >> > > same. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM > >> > >> > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into > >> > >> > conscientous > >> > >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country > >> is > >> > > being > >> > >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other > >> > >> situations. > >> > > We > >> > >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a > >> coward. > > I > >> > >> > disagree. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Dana > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > John Stanley writes: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Simple situation: > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to > >> > >> choose > >> > >> > (which > >> > >> > > > is > >> > >> > > > > what would happen) > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > You would either: > >> > >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) > >> > >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) > >> > >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > That's it. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal > >> moral > >> > > decision > >> > >> > > > when > >> > >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are > >> a > >> > > coward. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM > >> > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Buddism. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the > >> > >> story. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't > > go > >> > >> in > >> > > guns > >> > >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that > >> sort > >> > > of > >> > >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 > >> > >> > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them > >> > >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes > >> war, > >> > >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > >> > >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep > > the > >> > >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods > > and > >> > >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed > > conflict, > >> > >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are > > nothing > >> > >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon > > legitimate > >> > >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be > >> either > >> > >> > > > > > exported or executed. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin > >> Luther > >> > >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the > > citizenry > >> > >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > >> > >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your > >> lies > >> > >> > > > > > and deceptions. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > ====================================== > >> > >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > >> > >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > >> > >> > > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > >> > >> > > > > > ====================================== > >> > >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't > > done! > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. > > Lyons" > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM > >> > >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a > >> > > sincere, > >> > >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the > >> > > military is > >> > >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would > >> > >> gladly > >> > >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine > >> > >> conscientious > >> > >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like > > Ghandi, > >> > > Mother > >> > >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. > >> There > >> are > >> > > other > >> > >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > >> > >> > > > > > religious beliefs > >> > >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. > >> > >> > > > > > | > >> > >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. > >> > >> > > > > > | > >> > >> > > > > > | larry > >> > >> > > > > > | > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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