Geez Louise. Apparently I DO need to use smaller words. $250 is an application fee. You have to pay it no matter what. It isn't a proposal. They are doing it now.
Is that dumbed down enough for you? You just told me to spend what two years in the military. Just to save $250. How broke do you think I am? And you call me condescending... Also, you have your facts wrong. Unbelievable. Dana On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:21:55 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You weren't listening to me ;) I didn't say what currently is done i said > is > being proposed....now who's not paying attention. > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The >> military >> service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify that >> you >> are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You have to >> disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have never >> advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about eight >> pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with all the >> requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application fee >> of >> $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants that I >> have ever heard. >> >> I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I have >> already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I did >> not >> see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the error >> of >> my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would have > zero >> effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. >> >> Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free way > for >> > you to do it LOL. >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I need to >> >> get >> >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. >> >> >> >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had >> enlisted >> > for >> >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for people >> to >> >> get >> >> citizenship. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being proposed >> to >> > give >> >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. >> >> > >> >> > I think its a great idea >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. >> I >> > for >> >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. >> If >> > the US >> >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might >> >> still >> >> > lead >> >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. >> >> > > >> >> > > Dana >> >> > > >> >> > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > > >> >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I >> >> think >> >> > that if >> >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you >> object >> >> to >> >> > killing >> >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, >> >> but >> >> > still on >> >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to >> do >> >> > whatever my >> >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the >> > same. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM >> >> > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into >> >> > conscientous >> >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is >> > being >> >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other >> >> situations. >> > We >> >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. >> I >> >> > disagree. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Dana >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Simple situation: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to >> >> choose >> >> > (which >> >> > > > is >> >> > > > > what would happen) >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > You would either: >> >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) >> >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) >> >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > That's it. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral >> > decision >> >> > > > when >> >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a >> > coward. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM >> >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Buddism. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the >> >> story. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't >> go >> >> in >> > guns >> >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that > sort >> > of >> >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 >> >> > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them >> >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, >> >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of >> >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep >> the >> >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods >> and >> >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed >> conflict, >> >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are >> nothing >> >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon >> legitimate >> >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be either >> >> > > > > > exported or executed. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther >> >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the >> citizenry >> >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional >> >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies >> >> > > > > > and deceptions. >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >> >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >> >> > > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >> >> > > > > > ====================================== >> >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't >> done! >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. >> Lyons" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM >> >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a >> > sincere, >> >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the >> > military is >> >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would >> >> gladly >> >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine >> >> conscientious >> >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like >> Ghandi, >> > Mother >> >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There > are >> > other >> >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong >> >> > > > > > religious beliefs >> >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. >> >> > > > > > | >> >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. >> >> > > > > > | >> >> > > > > > | larry >> >> > > > > > | >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
