*HUGS* hope you feel better today dana :)
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Wheatley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: A good american > And it's nice to know Canadians can be condescending jerks sometimes too ;) > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > Bill. Let me see if I can explain this so you can understand. The military > > service makes you eligible. You still have to apply, and certify that you > > are not a member of the Nazi party, and a few other things. You have to > > disclose any criminal history and you have to affirm that you have never > > advocated the overthrow of the US government. And so on for about eight > > pages. You then take the application down to the INS office with all the > > requisite photographs and --- pay attention now -- the application fee of > > $250. The fee is not waived for military or any other applicants that I > > have ever heard. > > > > I personally have been eligible for several years, based on time I have > > already lived here. I did not file the paperwork sooner because I did not > > see the importance of voting. This last election has shown me the error of > > my ways. I will be filing the application. If I enlisted it would have > zero > > effect on my eligibility. I am eligible already. > > > > Let me know if I need to use even smaller words. > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:11:29 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Oh i know you can get citizenship other ways but see thats a free way > for > > > you to do it LOL. > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > >> I don't need to perform military service to get citizenhip. I need to > > >> get > > >> over to the INS office with $250 dollars. > > >> > > >> The plan isnt just proposed. Two of the GIs killed in Iraq had enlisted > > > for > > >> this reason. I think its not a bad idea. Makes it easier for people to > > >> get > > >> citizenship. > > >> > > >> Dana > > >> > > >> William Wheatley writes: > > >> > > >> > Then you might get citizenship under a law that is being proposed to > > > give > > >> > legal aliens who do military service citizenship. > > >> > > > >> > I think its a great idea > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > > good > > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > > off!" > > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. I > > > for > > >> > > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. If > > > the US > > >> > > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might > > >> still > > >> > lead > > >> > > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. > > >> > > > > >> > > Dana > > >> > > > > >> > > John Stanley writes: > > >> > > > > >> > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I > > >> think > > >> > that if > > >> > > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you object > > >> to > > >> > killing > > >> > > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, > > >> but > > >> > still on > > >> > > > the front line, like a medic or something. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to do > > >> > whatever my > > >> > > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the > > > same. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM > > >> > > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into > > >> > conscientous > > >> > > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is > > > being > > >> > > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other > > >> situations. > > > We > > >> > > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. I > > >> > disagree. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Dana > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > John Stanley writes: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Simple situation: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to > > >> choose > > >> > (which > > >> > > > is > > >> > > > > what would happen) > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > You would either: > > >> > > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) > > >> > > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) > > >> > > > > 3. not fight (coward) > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > That's it. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral > > > decision > > >> > > > when > > >> > > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a > > > coward. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM > > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Buddism. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the > > >> story. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't go > > >> in > > > guns > > >> > > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that > sort > > > of > > >> > > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 > > >> > > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them > > >> > > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, > > >> > > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > > >> > > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep the > > >> > > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods and > > >> > > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed conflict, > > >> > > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are nothing > > >> > > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon legitimate > > >> > > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be either > > >> > > > > > exported or executed. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther > > >> > > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry > > >> > > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > > >> > > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies > > >> > > > > > and deceptions. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ====================================== > > >> > > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > > >> > > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > >> > > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > > >> > > > > > ====================================== > > >> > > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM > > >> > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a > > > sincere, > > >> > > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the > > > military is > > >> > > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would > > >> gladly > > >> > > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine > > >> conscientious > > >> > > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like Ghandi, > > > Mother > > >> > > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There > are > > > other > > >> > > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > > >> > > > > > religious beliefs > > >> > > > > > | against serving in the military. > > >> > > > > > | > > >> > > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. > > >> > > > > > | > > >> > > > > > | larry > > >> > > > > > | > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
