I question whether flingin an internet croissant is now more demeaning than an iron muffin because of its french connotations?
Unless your french of course in whcih case you like your croissants just fine. hmm. DRE > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A good american > > > ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to > the guy. But > ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > > Dana > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you > > don't > > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the > rules if he > > hadn't > > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > > himself. > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > Sure, I was > > good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A > >> Chinese scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. > >> Subsequent investigation revealed that the problem was > facility wide > >> and the University of California was fired as > administrator. No other > >> scientist were charged with espionage let alone spent a > year in jail. > >> I have no idea whether he is suing or not; I just think he > got a raw > >> deal. There is > > little > >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is > >> looking > >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct > possibility > >> that > >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the > Chinese government, > > and > >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several > >> thousand employees of the facility, not one of whom was > also jailed. > >> > >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught > >> > speeding > > do > >> > I > >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> > > >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the > >> rules > >> > and > >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you > >> > should. > >> And > >> > he > >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue > go for it > >> > if > >> not > >> > well that's on him. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> > was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing > >> >> classified > > data > >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that > this was very > >> often > >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain > lost. UC just > >> lost > >> >> its > >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> >> > >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not > endear him to > >> >> the > > US > >> >> government if he did. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> > >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was > > evidence > >> > to > >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he > sueing?? If > >> they > >> > were so > >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> >> > > >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail > but i would > >> > understand > >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests > >> >> > like > >> >> that. > >> >> > > >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that > unjust. I read > >> >> > on > > both > >> > sides > >> >> > of the story. > >> >> > > >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got > >> >> > off > > easy > >> > and > >> >> > not to push his luck > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> >> > people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in > jail, and I > > think > >> > he > >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > > physicist > >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent > investigation > >> >> revealed > >> > to > >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Dana > >> >> > > > >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them > >> >> > > > goto > >> >> trial > >> >> > first. > >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're > dead meat > >> >> > > > no > >> >> trial > >> >> > needed > >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. > System worked.. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> >> > > > Sure, > >> I > >> >> was > >> >> > good > >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a > resume - it puts > >> >> people > >> >> > off!" > >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in > >> wartime > >> >> > *might* be > >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was > >> >> > > > > accused > >> of > >> > spying > >> >> > for > >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, > >> >> something > >> >> > like > >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with > classified data. > >> >> > > > > And > >> >> this > >> > was > >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on > jail almost a > > year; > >> >> > proper > >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los > Alamos that the > >> >> contract > >> > for > >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, > >> >> > > > > sometimes > > they > >> > are > >> >> > wrong > >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Dana > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > :) > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be > shot. I'll > >> even > >> > give > >> >> > them > >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. > >> >> Therefore > >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were > talking about > >> other > >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both > >> betrayed > >> > their > >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this > >> >> > > > > > > > > country" > > has > >> >> a > >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am > pretty sure > >> >> > > > > > > > > that > > if > >> >> I > >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you > and I would > >> >> > > > > > > > > not > > be > >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that > throws up > >> >> > > > > > > > > a > > huge > >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray > this country > > should > >> > be > >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our > >> respect > >> >> and > >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > >> >> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of > belief that > >> >> deifies > >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly > betray this > >> >> country. > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John > Stanley wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the > sacrifices of > >> the > >> >> > military, > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not > >> respect > >> >> the > >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied > > States? > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
