But you're convinced I'm wrong though. And I am a condescending jerk for questioning that I am wrong. OK... I know how much weight to give your opinions in future.
Dana On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dropped it :> I said i was done discussing it. I heard it on the radio > and its just friendly banter. > > Relax you seem to be under alot of stress lately deep breaths dear > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: A good american > > >> ::pounds head on desk::: and the astounding thing here is that you think >> I >> don't get it. LOL. How are you doing with links to that citizenship > program >> I was so wrong about? >> >> Dana >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:02 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL >> > >> > I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > nacho.com> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM >> > Subject: RE: A good american >> > >> > >> >> I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking the >> >> law. >> >> >> >> If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is being >> > abused, >> >> then the humane society should be called. >> >> >> >> If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised if > the >> > tax >> >> man comes knocking on your door. >> >> >> >> I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It > doesn't >> >> matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother. >> >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM >> >> > To: CF-Community >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose >> >> your >> >> > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone >> >> *might* >> >> > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. >> >> Don't >> >> > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. > Don't >> >> > talk >> >> > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your > full >> >> > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run >> >> out.... >> > I >> >> > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him >> of >> >> > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really >> fair >> >> to >> >> > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese >> (presumably >> >> > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on >> end, >> >> > while >> >> > other people walk around unhampered... is it? >> >> > >> >> > Dana >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever >> enforced >> >> he >> >> > > wouldn't be in trouble. >> >> > > >> >> > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone >> else >> >> > does. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > was >> >> > good >> >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> people >> >> > off!" >> >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM >> >> > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with >> > this? >> >> > >> The >> >> > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says >> whoops >> >> we >> >> > are >> >> > >> sorry and released him. >> >> > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we >> >> even >> >> > >> talking about the same case?? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dana >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have >> been >> >> in >> >> > >> > trouble?? >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given >> into >> > peer >> >> > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, >> I >> > was >> >> > > good >> >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> >> people >> >> > > off!" >> >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to >> >> the >> >> > >> guy. >> >> > >> >> But >> >> > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be >> gunning >> >> for >> >> > >> you >> >> > >> >> > don't >> >> > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the > rules >> > if >> >> > >> he >> >> > >> >> > hadn't >> >> > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation > starting >> > but >> >> > >> >> > himself. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > Sure, >> >> I >> >> > >> was >> >> > >> > good >> >> > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it >> puts >> >> > people >> >> > >> > off!" >> >> > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you >> >> write. >> > A >> >> > >> > Chinese >> >> > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. >> >> > > Subsequent >> >> > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide > and >> > the >> >> > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No > other >> >> > >> >> scientist >> >> > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in >> jail. > I >> >> > have >> >> > > no >> >> > >> >> >> idea >> >> > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw >> deal. >> > There >> >> > >> is >> >> > >> >> > little >> >> > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one >> of >> >> us >> > is >> >> > >> >> >> looking >> >> > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct >> >> > > possibility >> >> > >> >> >> that >> >> > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the >> Chinese >> >> > >> >> government, >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the >> >> several >> >> > >> >> thousand >> >> > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also >> jailed. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get >> >> caught >> >> > >> > speeding >> >> > >> >> > do >> >> > >> >> >> > I >> >> > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He >> >> knew >> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >> >> rules >> >> > >> >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean >> >> you >> >> > >> >> should. >> >> > >> >> >> And >> >> > >> >> >> > he >> >> > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue >> go >> > for >> >> > >> it >> >> > >> >> if >> >> > >> >> >> not >> >> > >> >> >> > well that's on him. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> > Sure, >> >> > I >> >> > >> >> was >> >> > >> >> > good >> >> > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it >> >> puts >> >> > > people >> >> > >> >> > off!" >> >> > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop >> containing >> >> > >> >> classified >> >> > >> >> > data >> >> > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that >> this >> >> was >> >> > >> very >> >> > >> >> >> often >> >> > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain >> lost. >> >> UC >> >> > >> just >> >> > >> >> >> lost >> >> > >> >> >> >> its >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not > endear >> > him >> >> > >> to >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> >> > US >> >> > >> >> >> >> government if he did. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if >> >> there >> >> > was >> >> > >> >> > evidence >> >> > >> >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he >> > sueing?? >> >> > >> If >> >> > >> >> >> they >> >> > >> >> >> > were so >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail >> but >> >> i >> >> > >> would >> >> > >> >> >> > understand >> >> > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security >> > interests >> >> > >> >> like >> >> > >> >> >> >> that. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that >> unjust. >> >> I >> >> > >> read >> >> > >> >> on >> >> > >> >> > both >> >> > >> >> >> > sides >> >> > >> >> >> >> > of the story. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he >> realizes >> >> he >> >> > got >> >> > >> >> off >> >> > >> >> > easy >> >> > >> >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > skills. >> >> > >> Sure, >> >> > > I >> >> > >> >> >> was >> >> > >> >> >> > good >> >> > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - >> it >> > puts >> >> > >> > people >> >> > >> >> >> > off!" >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in >> >> jail, >> >> > >> and >> >> > > I >> >> > >> >> > think >> >> > >> >> >> > he >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a >> > nuclear >> >> > >> >> > physicist >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent >> >> > >> investigation >> >> > >> >> >> >> revealed >> >> > >> >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and >> let >> > them >> >> > >> >> goto >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial >> >> > >> >> >> >> > first. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're >> >> dead >> >> > >> meat >> >> > >> >> no >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial >> >> > >> >> >> >> > needed >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. >> System >> >> > >> worked.. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no >> > skills. >> >> > >> >> Sure, >> >> > >> >> >> I >> >> > >> >> >> >> was >> >> > >> >> >> >> > good >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a > resume - >> > it >> >> > > puts >> >> > >> >> >> >> people >> >> > >> >> >> >> > off!" >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana >> > Tierney" >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <cf- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. >> A >> >> spy >> >> > in >> >> > >> >> >> wartime >> >> > >> >> >> >> > *might* be >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I >> mentioned >> >> was >> >> > >> >> accused >> >> > >> >> >> of >> >> > >> >> >> > spying >> >> > >> >> >> >> > for >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges >> >> except >> >> > >> one, >> >> > >> >> >> >> something >> >> > >> >> >> >> > like >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with >> >> classified >> >> > >> data. >> >> > >> > And >> >> > >> >> >> >> this >> >> > >> >> >> > was >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on >> jail >> >> > >> almost >> >> > > a >> >> > >> >> > year; >> >> > >> >> >> >> > proper >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los >> Alamos >> > that >> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract >> >> > >> >> >> > for >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point >> is, >> >> > >> >> sometimes >> >> > >> >> > they >> >> > >> >> >> > are >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be >> >> shot. >> >> > >> I'll >> >> > >> >> >> even >> >> > >> >> >> > give >> >> > >> >> >> >> > them >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black >> this >> >> > week. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Therefore >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were >> >> talking >> >> > >> about >> >> > >> >> >> other >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may >> have >> > both >> >> > >> >> >> betrayed >> >> > >> >> >> > their >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the >> >> > population. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray >> >> this >> >> > >> >> country" >> >> > >> >> > has >> >> > >> >> >> >> a >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am >> >> pretty >> >> > >> sure >> >> > >> > that >> >> > >> >> > if >> >> > >> >> >> >> I >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you >> and >> >> I >> >> > >> would >> >> > >> > not >> >> > >> >> > be >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that >> > throws >> >> > >> up >> >> > >> >> a >> >> > >> >> > huge >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray >> this >> >> > >> country >> >> > >> >> > should >> >> > >> >> >> > be >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country > deserve >> > our >> >> > >> >> >> respect >> >> > >> >> >> >> and >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons >> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 >> AM >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of >> >> belief >> >> > >> that >> >> > >> >> >> >> deifies >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly >> >> betray >> >> > >> this >> >> > >> >> >> >> country. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John >> >> Stanley >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the >> >> > sacrifices >> >> > > of >> >> > >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> > military, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you > do >> > not >> >> > >> >> >> respect >> >> > >> >> >> >> the >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for >> the >> >> > >> Untied >> >> > >> >> > States? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. 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