I offered him a croissant because I like croissants, especially chocolate croissants
Dana On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:07:26 -0600, Andre Turrettini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I question whether flingin an internet croissant is now more demeaning > than > an iron muffin because of its french connotations? > > Unless your french of course in whcih case you like your croissants just > fine. > > hmm. > DRE > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, >> 2003 1:07 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the guy. >> But ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. >> >> Dana >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you >> > don't >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if he > >> hadn't >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > >> himself. >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > >> good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A >> >> Chinese scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. >> >> Subsequent investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide >> >> and the University of California was fired as administrator. No other >> >> scientist were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. >> >> I have no idea whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw >> >> deal. There is >> > little >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is >> >> looking >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct possibility >> >> that >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese >> government, >> > and >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several >> >> thousand employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. >> >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught >> > >> speeding >> > do >> >> > I >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> >> > >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the >> >> rules >> >> > and >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you >> > >> should. >> >> And >> >> > he >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it >> >> > if >> >> not >> >> > well that's on him. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> >> > was >> > good >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing >> >> >> classified >> > data >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very >> >> often >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just >> >> lost >> >> >> its >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to >> >> >> the >> > US >> >> >> government if he did. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was >> > evidence >> >> > to >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If >> >> they >> >> > were so >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would >> >> > understand >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests >> >> >> > like >> >> >> that. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read >> >> >> > on >> > both >> >> > sides >> >> >> > of the story. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got >> >> >> > off >> > easy >> >> > and >> >> >> > not to push his luck >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I >> >> was >> >> > good >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> >> >> > people >> >> > off!" >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I >> > think >> >> > he >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear >> > physicist >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation >> >> >> revealed >> >> > to >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Dana >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them >> >> >> > > > goto >> >> >> trial >> >> >> > first. >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat >> >> >> > > > no >> >> >> trial >> >> >> > needed >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> >> >> > > > Sure, >> >> I >> >> >> was >> >> >> > good >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> >> >> people >> >> >> > off!" >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in >> >> wartime >> >> >> > *might* be >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was >> >> >> > > > > accused >> >> of >> >> > spying >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, >> >> >> something >> >> >> > like >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. >> >> >> > > > > And >> >> >> this >> >> > was >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a >> > year; >> >> >> > proper >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the >> >> >> contract >> >> > for >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, >> >> > >> > > > sometimes >> > they >> >> > are >> >> >> > wrong >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Dana >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > :) >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll >> >> even >> >> > give >> >> >> > them >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. >> >> >> Therefore >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about >> >> other >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both >> >> betrayed >> >> > their >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this >> >> >> > > > > > > > > country" >> > has >> >> >> a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure >> >> >> > > > > > > > > that >> > if >> >> >> I >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would >> >> >> > > > > > > > > not >> > be >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up >> >> >> > > > > > > > > a >> > huge >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country >> > should >> >> > be >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our >> >> respect >> >> >> and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that >> >> >> deifies >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this >> >> >> country. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of >> >> the >> >> >> > military, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not >> >> respect >> >> >> the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied >> > States? >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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