::pounds head on desk::: and the astounding thing here is that you think I don't get it. LOL. How are you doing with links to that citizenship program I was so wrong about?
Dana On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:02 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL > > I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > nacho.com> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM > Subject: RE: A good american > > >> I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking the >> law. >> >> If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is being > abused, >> then the humane society should be called. >> >> If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised if the > tax >> man comes knocking on your door. >> >> I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It doesn't >> matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother. >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM >> > To: CF-Community >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can lose >> your >> > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone >> *might* >> > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call cps. >> Don't >> > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. Don't >> > talk >> > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying your full >> > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run >> out.... > I >> > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse him of >> > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really fair >> to >> > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese (presumably >> > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on end, >> > while >> > other people walk around unhampered... is it? >> > >> > Dana >> > >> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced >> he >> > > wouldn't be in trouble. >> > > >> > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else >> > does. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was >> > good >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people >> > off!" >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM >> > > Subject: Re: A good american >> > > >> > > >> > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with > this? >> > >> The >> > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops >> we >> > are >> > >> sorry and released him. >> > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we >> even >> > >> talking about the same case?? >> > >> >> > >> Dana >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been >> in >> > >> > trouble?? >> > >> > >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into > peer >> > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > was >> > > good >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> people >> > > off!" >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to >> the >> > >> guy. >> > >> >> But >> > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Dana >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning >> for >> > >> you >> > >> >> > don't >> > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules > if >> > >> he >> > >> >> > hadn't >> > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting > but >> > >> >> > himself. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, >> I >> > >> was >> > >> > good >> > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts >> > people >> > >> > off!" >> > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you >> write. > A >> > >> > Chinese >> > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. >> > > Subsequent >> > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and > the >> > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other >> > >> >> scientist >> > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I >> > have >> > > no >> > >> >> >> idea >> > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. > There >> > >> is >> > >> >> > little >> > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of >> us > is >> > >> >> >> looking >> > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct >> > > possibility >> > >> >> >> that >> > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese >> > >> >> government, >> > >> >> > and >> > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the >> several >> > >> >> thousand >> > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get >> caught >> > >> > speeding >> > >> >> > do >> > >> >> >> > I >> > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He >> knew >> > >> the >> > >> >> >> rules >> > >> >> >> > and >> > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean >> you >> > >> >> should. >> > >> >> >> And >> > >> >> >> > he >> > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go > for >> > >> it >> > >> >> if >> > >> >> >> not >> > >> >> >> > well that's on him. >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > Sure, >> > I >> > >> >> was >> > >> >> > good >> > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it >> puts >> > > people >> > >> >> > off!" >> > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" >> > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing >> > >> >> classified >> > >> >> > data >> > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this >> was >> > >> very >> > >> >> >> often >> > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. >> UC >> > >> just >> > >> >> >> lost >> > >> >> >> >> its >> > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear > him >> > >> to >> > >> > the >> > >> >> > US >> > >> >> >> >> government if he did. >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dana >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if >> there >> > was >> > >> >> > evidence >> > >> >> >> > to >> > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he > sueing?? >> > >> If >> > >> >> >> they >> > >> >> >> > were so >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but >> i >> > >> would >> > >> >> >> > understand >> > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security > interests >> > >> >> like >> > >> >> >> >> that. >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. >> I >> > >> read >> > >> >> on >> > >> >> > both >> > >> >> >> > sides >> > >> >> >> >> > of the story. >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes >> he >> > got >> > >> >> off >> > >> >> > easy >> > >> >> >> > and >> > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. >> > >> Sure, >> > > I >> > >> >> >> was >> > >> >> >> > good >> > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > puts >> > >> > people >> > >> >> >> > off!" >> > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in >> jail, >> > >> and >> > > I >> > >> >> > think >> > >> >> >> > he >> > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a > nuclear >> > >> >> > physicist >> > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent >> > >> investigation >> > >> >> >> >> revealed >> > >> >> >> > to >> > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > Dana >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let > them >> > >> >> goto >> > >> >> >> >> trial >> > >> >> >> >> > first. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're >> dead >> > >> meat >> > >> >> no >> > >> >> >> >> trial >> > >> >> >> >> > needed >> > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System >> > >> worked.. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > skills. >> > >> >> Sure, >> > >> >> >> I >> > >> >> >> >> was >> > >> >> >> >> > good >> > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - > it >> > > puts >> > >> >> >> >> people >> > >> >> >> >> > off!" >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" >> > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana > Tierney" >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A >> spy >> > in >> > >> >> >> wartime >> > >> >> >> >> > *might* be >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned >> was >> > >> >> accused >> > >> >> >> of >> > >> >> >> > spying >> > >> >> >> >> > for >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges >> except >> > >> one, >> > >> >> >> >> something >> > >> >> >> >> > like >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with >> classified >> > >> data. >> > >> > And >> > >> >> >> >> this >> > >> >> >> > was >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail >> > >> almost >> > > a >> > >> >> > year; >> > >> >> >> >> > proper >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos > that >> > >> the >> > >> >> >> >> contract >> > >> >> >> > for >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, >> > >> >> sometimes >> > >> >> > they >> > >> >> >> > are >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be >> shot. >> > >> I'll >> > >> >> >> even >> > >> >> >> > give >> > >> >> >> >> > them >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this >> > week. >> > >> >> >> >> Therefore >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were >> talking >> > >> about >> > >> >> >> other >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have > both >> > >> >> >> betrayed >> > >> >> >> > their >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the >> > population. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray >> this >> > >> >> country" >> > >> >> > has >> > >> >> >> >> a >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am >> pretty >> > >> sure >> > >> > that >> > >> >> > if >> > >> >> >> >> I >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and >> I >> > >> would >> > >> > not >> > >> >> > be >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that > throws >> > >> up >> > >> >> a >> > >> >> > huge >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this >> > >> country >> > >> >> > should >> > >> >> >> > be >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve > our >> > >> >> >> respect >> > >> >> >> >> and >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of >> belief >> > >> that >> > >> >> >> >> deifies >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly >> betray >> > >> this >> > >> >> >> >> country. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John >> Stanley >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the >> > sacrifices >> > > of >> > >> >> >> the >> > >> >> >> >> > military, >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do > not >> > >> >> >> respect >> > >> >> >> >> the >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the >> > >> Untied >> > >> >> > States? >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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