::snort:: if you are saying the US is a socialist country too then I think this discussion had reached a sufficiently ridiculous level. I'll be getting some work done now.
Dana Heald, Tim writes: > 1. He was using the idea of locally owned utilities to attempt to make an > argument that said utility is privatized, which it is not. > > 2. I have not said anywhere that the US does not have socialist > characteristics. Only that I want to see them abolished. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:40 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > Furthermore, Jacksonville Florida and Livingston Texas, off the top of my > head, both own their own electric companies so what is the difference? > Its not something peculiarly Canadian. Oh and let's not forget Portland Gas > and Electric. > > Dana > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Not every province has a regulated utility model. Alberta has a > privatized electrical utility system. The city of Calgary actually owns > Enmax, their primary electricity provider, for instance. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2003 2:35 pm > > Subject: RE: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > People pay more in taxes, yes, but much, much less in health > > > insurance, car insurance (for Manitoba and BC at least), > > > unemployment, workers compensation, education, college, etc. So > > > essentially it balances out. > > > > > > As for the bogus comment about mineral rights, it has nothing to > > > do > > > with socialism or whatever. Its from a far older system, called > > > the > > > british government model. The crown owns the land, and the > > > individual > > > buys from the government. > > > > > > As for the utilities, frankly as far as I'm concerned its better > > > that > > > the provincial government own the electrical utilities and get > > > some > > > hope of getting something back rather than it all going out of the > > > province to enrich some person who never had to work in his life. > > > > > > A quick comparison, Manitoba owns its electrical generation and > > > delivery systems. Before I left Winnipeg, Manitoba, I paid about > > > $15 > > > a month Canadian (approx $10) for an electrically heated 2 bedroom > > > apartment. Coming to Roanoke, Virginia, where there was a > > > privately > > > owned electrical utility, my electrical rates were about 3 times > > > as > > > much. > > > > > > There are some advantages to a regulated government monopoly. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > >They own their houses, but they have no mineral rights to what's > > > under the > > > >ground. Also look into Esso and the amount of money it gets from the > > > >government sometime. Look at the utilities and who owns and runs > > > those.> > > > >Your oversimplifying this a lot you know. BTW they pay far more > > > in taxes > > > >than we do. Hell GST, provincial and federal taxes, supporting > > > all of these > > > >various social programs. > > > > > > > >I don't know why you have such a problem with the word? How > > > would you > > > >define it? Is there some stigma you attach to socialist? > > > > > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:33 PM > > > >To: CF-Community > > > >Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > > > > > > > > > >Well all I know is that Tim claimed that it was socialist because > > > the large > > > >industries are government owned and something about property rights, > > > >neither of which is true. I have been in the states a long time > > > but I have > > > >family in Canada and ya they own houses, work and pay taxes in > > > very much > > > >the same way that I do. > > > > > > > >Dana > > > > > > > >Nick McClure writes: > > > > > > > >> That is only part of the equation. > > > >> > > > >> Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive, you can > > > have a > > > >socialist > > > >> democracy, capitalist monarchy or a communist republic. > > > >> > > > >> Socialism or capitalism is the economic side, democracy or > > > dictatorship is > > > >> the political side. > > > >> > > > >> I would say that Canada is not a 100% capitalist country. > > > There are > > > >> obviously capitalist ideas, but there are a number of > > > socialist ideas as > > > >> well. > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:04 PM > > > >> > To: CF-Community > > > >> > Subject: Re: Altruism (was RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries) > > > >> > > > > >> > It's a parliamentary democracy. > > > >> > > > > >> > Dana > > > >> > > > > >> > Heald, Tim writes: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
