Hi Dick :-)

Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or
any type of server environment.....  I know you are a Mac-man and indeed
will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on
and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that
they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving..

As for a floppy (just one example), lets say I have a 1.2 meg file which
I don’t want to email to myself as I only have a 56K connection, I want
to move it to my other machine which has no Zip and I don’t want to
waste a CD on the data.... i.e. USE A FLOPPY! They still have their
uses...








-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 01 August 2002 20:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: X-server?

On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= 
wrote:

> I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so
> cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?)
>
> Mac's are nice machines.... to look at (IMHO, so donít bother with
your
> Mac-o-lite rants :-)
>
> No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid,
> but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)...

I am curious, what do you use a floppy for?  Is it the requirement of 
your OS or your application?

I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years --

        The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images.  These
can 
be copied to hard disk,
        uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even
copied 
to a floppy disk).

        all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software 
built in with a
        real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a
crossover 
cable to connect 2 Macs --
        The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and 
adjusts accordingly.

        All Macs come with a web server: Apache.

        all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and
free 
trial internet connection

        All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple
web 
Server (this will change
        soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies).

        sneaker-net is not needed

        All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really 
need a floppy you can get one for
        about $100 (last time i looked)
>
>>> I priced up the same configuration on an iMac
>
> I'm intrigued.... Was it running Windows :-)?

No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator  Virtual PC for $90 (if you 
already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, 
or Win200.

This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux.

So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost.

HTH

Dick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: X-server?
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel
> solution
>> can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution.
>
> I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at
$4,300
> including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the
> same
> configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17" flat screen, 1Gb RAM,
> 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving...
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>
> 

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