On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 12:12 PM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote:
> Hi Dick :-) > > Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or > any type of server environment..... I know you are a Mac-man and indeed > will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on > and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that > they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving.. I will challenge you on the development side. I can run Mac, Win, Linux browsers concurrently on the same box to test the look and feel of a web site that is totally contained and served from the same box, all the while running screen grabbers, Photoshop, Word/Excel, etc, Mail Client, Mail Server, DB Server and do it in 15 cu inches of desk space (nothing under the desk) for under $800, hardware costs. The apps and OSes cost the same as for Intel platforms. I can't address the server side -- that, it is not my area of expertise. However, another post references an article that shows some benchmarks and true cost comparisons -- to me they seemed to indicate that the Mac Xserv was price/performance competitive with both Linux and Windows server solutions. > > As for a floppy (just one example), lets say I have a 1.2 meg file which > I donít want to email to myself as I only have a 56K connection, I want > to move it to my other machine which has no Zip and I donít want to > waste a CD on the data.... i.e. USE A FLOPPY! They still have their > uses... > > Why not just connect the computers together -- Been able to do that with the Mac since 1984 (built-in) and with PCs before that What if the file is 6 Meg? Seriously, you need floppies because of your hardware/software choice, I made a different choice. So for the price of an ethernet cable I can network any Mac made in the last 10 years (before that it was the cost of an Appletalk cable) I routinely backup one computer's drives to another's over ethernet. With the new wireless connection, I no longer need the cable. There are millions of Mac users out there that don't realize that they need floppies-- they just keep going on oblivious of their predicament %^)> Dick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 01 August 2002 20:01 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: X-server? > > On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= > wrote: > >> I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so >> cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) >> >> Mac's are nice machines.... to look at (IMHO, so donĚt bother with > your >> Mac-o-lite rants :-) >> >> No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, >> but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... > > I am curious, what do you use a floppy for? Is it the requirement of > your OS or your application? > > I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years -- > > The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images. These > can > be copied to hard disk, > uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even > copied > to a floppy disk). > > all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software > built in with a > real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a > crossover > cable to connect 2 Macs -- > The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and > adjusts accordingly. > > All Macs come with a web server: Apache. > > all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and > free > trial internet connection > > All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple > web > Server (this will change > soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies). > > sneaker-net is not needed > > All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really > need a floppy you can get one for > about $100 (last time i looked) >> >>>> I priced up the same configuration on an iMac >> >> I'm intrigued.... Was it running Windows :-)? > > No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator Virtual PC for $90 (if you > already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, > or Win200. > > This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux. > > So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost. > > HTH > > Dick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: X-server? >> >> On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel >> solution >>> can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. >> >> I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at > $4,300 >> including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the >> same >> configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17" flat screen, 1Gb RAM, >> 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... >> >> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." >> -- Margaret Atwood >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
