Ok, I think it's time for me to toss in my 2 cents (.75 cents Canadian).
I am replying now, because most of this discussion took place after I went
home yesterday. Truth is, I am an ASP developer. I have been for quite
some time. I have been developing ASP since version 1.0 and have written
some Big, Bad A** apps out there being used by some Fortune 500 firms (Not
UPS mind you).
I first learned CF in College (part of an internet development class
covering CF, Java and other things). I thought it was a shame we didn't
learn any ASP, so I approached my professor about it. I explained to him
that I knew I was a proficient programmer (he knew as well from previous
classes) and asked if I could do our database project in ASP instead of Cold
Fusion. When each class got up to explain their code, it was pretty my the
same, cfloop here, cfquery there... I got up and showed the ASP code off
and the quicker response time (this was in the days of ASP 2.0 vs. CF 2.0,
the book we used was BF's Web application Construction Kit 2nd Ed.) I was
sold on ASP from that day forward and vowed never to use CF again.
I started my own business and things went well for a while. Then I had a
major collapse in the market I was trying to sell in and needed to find a
steady job while still doing after hours work. UPS offered me a job as a
Systems Management Engineer. When I started I wondered, "Why did they hire
me?" I'm an MCSE, MCT and a lot of other TLA's and FLA's. But I had no
experience in Tivoli and very little in Cold Fusion. Now, 7 months later, I
consider myself very good in Cold Fusion and still learning Tivoli (my
project is in web interfaces to Tivoli). In fact, I just finished a major
component using CF.
Having some perspective on the matter, I still think I like ASP a little
better, but that's my opinion. I consider myself almost a VB expert
(working on some articles for various M$ programming Mags.), so I like the
granularity of ASP. If I had the tools of ASP and CF at my disposal (ASP is
banned at UPS), I'd have to look at my situation. If I need something quick
and easy and not a lot of fine control, I'd do it in CF easily. If I have
more time and need finer control of details, I'd do it in ASP. I have found
that most, if not everything that I can do in ASP, I can do in CF. In fact,
I'm pushing my team to buy CF 5 or MX and get me out from the heel of CF
4.0. I think I misjudged CF some years ago, but that was when CF didn't
look that good to me. (In fact, I'm working on some ideas of Fusebox for
ASP.Net myself)
One last thing to add to my "rant". I think the code on sending e-mail was
very skewed. To someone that doesn't know CF very well, it looks like it
takes 25+ lines to do what CF does in 1. The code should have been more a
comparison as follows:
Set MyMail = CreateObject("CDONTS.NewMail")
MyMail.From = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
MyMail.To = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
MyMail.Subject = "Information Request"
MyMail.BodyFormat = 1 'plain text
MyMail.MailFormat = 1 'plain text
MyMail.Body = MsgText
MyMail.Send
Set MyMail = Nothing
<cfmail to="" from="" server="" subject="">some stuff
here.....</cfmail>
That "some stuff here...." encompasses a lot of code to make the body of the
e-mail when comparing the two.
(*Any opinions expressed are mine and mine alone, they do not reflect those
of my employers)
Rob Edwards Phone: (502) 359-1627
Systems Management Tools Pager: (502) 478-1116
United Parcel Service Fax: (502) 359-0094
EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP
Matt
I think the problem is that the alternative being discussed is from
MSoft and the natural reaction is to barf if something is being shoved
down your throat -- common sense and merits adide!
Dick
On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 06:20 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
> People on this list are amazing. I haven't pointed out anything that is
> wrong with CF in this thread. I have simply pointed out that sometimes
> other solutions are better, which is far from hating CF.
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