Thanks, that was a lot clearer than the information I was wading through on MSDN about it.
-Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:11 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > marshalling > <communications> (US -ll- or -l-) The process of packing one or more > items of data into a message buffer, prior to transmitting that message > buffer over a communication channel. The packing process not only > collects together values which may be stored in non-consecutive memory > locations but also converts data of different types into a standard > representation agreed with the recipient of the message. > > Each language has its own idea of what data types are and how they are > represented. Whenever you want to pass data between different languages > you need to have an agreed upon intermediary. Each language can then > convert the data to and from the intermediary thus allowing > inter-language communication. > > As such, when I speak of objects being corrupted during the marshalling > process I am simply stating that the object sent from one end didn't end > up on the other as expected. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:kgraeme@;facstaff.wisc.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:02 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > Matt, can you provide examples of what you've run into with these > issues? > > I'm a UI developer and I don't recognize the term "marshalling". > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Kevin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:03 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > > > > > > Have you tried using Flash Remoting with anything other than CFMX? > > > Have you tried marshalling complex objects? > > > Have you tried marshalling objects with large blocks of text? > > > Have you tried any of the above on mixed platforms i.e. Windows and > > > Linux? > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger@;cfwebtools.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:54 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > > > > > Ditto - we've done 2 aps with rave reviews and we are working on 2 > > > more. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stacy Young [mailto:Stacy.Young@;sfcommerce.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:29 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > > > > > > > > > Remoting rocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:Peter.Tilbrook@;abcb.gov.au] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:00 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > > > > > Memories of claims about Spectra's capabilities come to mind. > > > > > > > > >Flash Remoting certainly is a timely idea that could enable some > very > > > > >impressive applications. However, the marriage of Flash and CF is > far > > > > >from perfect. People talk of the possibilities and show examples > that > > > > >wow developers, but the truth is that organizations who are > trying to > > > > >build complex applications that make use of Flash Remoting are > > > finding > > > > >serious problems. > > > > > > > > > >We have been working with Flash Remoting since the beginning and > have > > > > >found it to be a constant struggle. Complex objects are corrupted > and > > > > >line endings are changed as data is marshaled. Flash Remoting > itself > > > is > > > > >different in functionality and behavior from CFMX to J2EE to > NET. > > > The > > > > >documentation is spares to non-existent, while at the same time > > > > >misleading on occasion. Worst of all, Macromedia has only > > > acknowledged > > > > >out findings and has offered no solutions. > > > > > > > > > >Flash Remoting is a great idea, but it simply isn't all there. > Like > > > any > > > > >1.0 product, buyer beware. I look forward to the day when the > issues > > > are > > > > >fixed. > > > > > > > > > >Matt Liotta > > > > >President & CEO > > > > >Montara Software, Inc. > > > > >http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > > >888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: David Hannum (Ohio University) [mailto:hannum@;ohio.edu] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:29 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > > Subject: Re: SOT: Sad Day > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll back you up. MM has a long history of abandoning > products. > > > > >Everyone > > > > > > > seems to act like CF is invincible, yet it was sold by > Allaire a > > > > >little > > > > > > > over a year ago. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > Do you think MM will keep CF around if it starts to tank? > Phat > > > > >chance. > > > > > > > If the software doesn't sail, these captains jump before the > > > women > > > > >and > > > > > > > children. I know I'm not the only one who learned Generator. > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MM bought Allaire, not because there was anything wrong with > it, > > > but > > > > > > because > > > > > > there was so much right with it. When you can do as much and > more > > > > >with > > > > > > CFMX > > > > > > and Flash MX than you could with Generator, with much less > cost > > > and > > > > >far > > > > > > less > > > > > > server overhead, why shouldn't you abandon Generator? The > cfm/fla > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > is perfect. Cost to performance and capability, it's > positioned > > > to be > > > > >the > > > > > > greatest thing since soft butter! If you've read the postings > of > > > > >people > > > > > > who > > > > > > attended DevCon, you'll notice an extreme optimism among > CF'ers. > > > MM > > > > >is > > > > > > taking CF & Flash to the lead in a new wave of internet > > > applications. > > > > >And > > > > > > the neat part is, MM is making it possible for PHP, ASP and > Java > > > to > > > > >play > > > > > > too! I was very skeptical when MM purchased Allaire. But > they > > > keep > > > > > > showing > > > > > > me a stronger and stronger commitment. I have no trouble > staying > > > with > > > > >MM. > > > > > > They've shown that they are making CF one of their flagship > > > products. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for dropping a product when it's outlived its useful life, > > > that's > > > > >just > > > > > > good business. That does not make a company bad. Generator's > > > life > > > > >had > > > > > > come > > > > > > to an end when it became apparent that client side power was > > > practicle > > > > > > with > > > > > > the advances in Flash. CF is a much better server side > solution > > > to > > > > >power > > > > > > that. Dropping Generator was not a bad idea on MM's part. It > was > > > a > > > > >very > > > > > > good idea. Good business. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
