I didn't claim 6% of Java users use Struts nor did I claim that 6% of CF developers use Fusebox. I simply threw out anecdotal numbers for the sake a comparison.
-Matt On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 03:45 PM, Birgit Pauli-Haack wrote: > Don't fight this people! This is not comparing oranges with apples > this is just the right thing! > > 6% of Jave user use Strute, 6% of CF Developer use Fusebox! > Struts compared to Fusebox...! > > That doesn't say much about Struts, but it tells a lot about > Fusebox! Is has come a long way and it finally made it into the > league where it receives serious considerations from a lot of high > class > programmers, that have been all time opponents! > > Congrats to Steve, Hal, Nat, John, Eric, Jeff and others that worked > on it so faithfully and persistent.! > > This is a great! Made my day! And if you are out there Buddies, I hope > it > made your day as well! > > Matt thank you! > > Birgit Pauli-Haack > > PS: hey it's Friday <chuckle> > > > Friday, July 18, 2003, 3:29:46 PM, you wrote: > SC> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > SC> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM > SC> To: CF-Talk > SC> Subject: Re: Cons to Fusebox > > > SC> I saw this thread mentioned on Sean's blog and I was thinking about > SC> rejoining this list before reading his blog, so here I am. I'm not > SC> interested in trying to rehash much of the debate since I am late > to > SC> this thread, but I feel like it is important to make at least a > couple > SC> of points. > > SC> First, I largely agree with Dave's position in this debate, but I > don't > SC> agree with him in regards to his application of common sense in > lieu of > SC> a framework. I think frameworks are extremely valuable and can > make an > SC> enormous difference in the success of web applications especially > where > SC> more than 3 people on working on them. Of course, picking the wrong > SC> framework for an application can lead to all sorts of problems, so > the > SC> notion of one framework being the correct one in every case should > be > SC> abandoned. > > SC> Second, I have seen numerous references by Fusebox people both in > and > SC> out of this thread in regards to how the sheer number of people > using > SC> Fusebox is an important point. I like to put that into perspective > a > SC> bit. According to Fusebox.org, there are 17756 using Fusebox. Not > sure > SC> where that number comes from, but let's apply that to the number > of CF > SC> developers, which is supposed to be about 300,000. That would mean > SC> about 6% of CF developers are using Fusebox. Now then, let's assume > SC> that 6% of Java developers are using Struts. Since there is > supposed to > SC> be about 3,000,000 Java developers that would mean there would be > SC> 180,000 Java developers using Struts. > > SC> There are a lot of reasons why one would use Struts over Fusebox > and > SC> vice versa, but if sheer numbers matter to people than Struts is > the > SC> way to go since it is used by a lot more people. BTW, if you don't > buy > SC> the above numbers; take a look at the Amazon.com sales rankings > for the > SC> 10+ struts books vs. the Fusebox books. > > SC> -Matt > > SC> On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Erik Yowell wrote: > >>>> >>>> Trade offs. Everything is a trade off. Sometimes the quick, >>>> unstructured 'hack' is the right solution... >>>> >>> >>> This for me (being a small shop) is why I've extensively adopted a >>> framework like Fusebox. Most of my projects are not going to become >>> an >>> Amazon.com anytime soon, while this doesn't mean I should write >>> sloppy >>> code - it does allow the flexibility of allowing a bit of a >>> processing >>> overhead in lieu of manageability and the ability to bring in >>> external >>> talent to easily assist me in changes (if needed) by providing a good >>> set of standards and the Fusebox docs. I don't have to spend precious >>> time educating another developer on the intricacies of a custom >>> framework. >>> >>> Despite what organizations like Rational think (in the sense that >>> there >>> is no such thing as RAD development) - I mean, come on now, how many >>> developers out there have had the "I needed it yesterday" >>> conversation >>> with a client? I find having the ability to quickly find and make >>> changes to medium sized projects, forced structuring of code and >>> application processes to be a boon. >>> >>> Erik Yowell >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://www.shortfusemedia.com >>> >>> >>> > > SC> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
