Good detailed points Jim, thanks. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net
Webapper <Web Application Specialists> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Your "definition" may not be so cut and dry. If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive it may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also prohibitive (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost analysis). Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at "public" hosts for this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for example, is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an Exchange server). Also, the Intranet is generally one place where you must, as a matter of course, amortize the cost of infrastructure over several projects. A public web application may factor in architecture/hosting costs as part of the project: it's likely that those resources will be dedicated to that project. With an Intranet however it's much more likely that those resources will be leveraged for many projects (billing, defect tracking, internal messaging, time/resource management, etc). This is where CF truly shines because ALL of these projects will see development speed and quality increase. With a single application it can become more difficult to factor the cost of the server. For example let's say I'm bidding on a project. It needs a server and I want to use CF Pro ($1,200). If my hourly rate were $100/hour I would have to predict that I'm able to do the job in 12 hours less time than if I want to make the case that CF is not "more expensive". No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that each of these applications only has to save two hours of development time due to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a "free" solution. Of course this is very simplistic and your hourly rate will vary, but remember that it's almost always lower than the real cost. Even if you, as a developer-under-contract only charge $50/hour the project cost may easily be $100/per or much more due once you add in meetings, testing, resource usage (rooms, consumables, etc). For all but the smallest projects (or those where there already exists infrastructure and talent in another tool) the cost of CF is easily absorbed into the project plan with no adverse impact on completion costs. But the key is that you do HAVE to work this out: full business cost and return on investment over the predicted lifespan of the project/infrastructure. Too many companies are penny-wise, pound-foolish when it comes to this stuff (saving $1200 on software to spend an extra $5000 in development is a really common occurrence among small businesses). There's often nothing that we, as consultants can do, but we should at least be comfortable that we've done all we can to explain the realities of development. Jim Davis > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > Shared hosting doesn't help cost issues when the application is > destined for an Intranet since by definition the application needs to > be hosted internally. > > -Matt > > On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 12:01 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: > > > I don't need to stand up for MACR, they can do it themselves, but I > > have > > to ask, what do you mean you can't afford CF? You can't afford the free > > developers edition? If your client can't afford CF, then, as you say, > > most likely they are 'small guys' - have you considered one of the many > > CF ISPs? I used Media3 for years and they were quite affordable. > > > > ======================================================================= > > = > > === > > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc > > (www.mindseye.com) > > Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) > > > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog > > Yahoo IM : morpheus > > > > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:32 AM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > >> > >> > >> Well, since I can't afford anything MM produces legally, I'm > >> going to have to get BlueDragon next time I get paid. MM > >> just lost another sale, no big loss, but I'm sure the small > >> guys add up too. > >> > >> -Matt > >> > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
