For me, I wouldn't at the moment just because I'm very happy where I am (CrystalTech).
However BlueDragon has the definite potential to bring CF hosting prices down significantly (one of the complaints I here about CF) so I would really like to see it offered by a few hosts. As Vince pointed out in a branch from this thread BlueDragon also makes excellent sense for somebody that wants to package their CF application for use on a server lacking CF (which can be in either J2EE or, soon, .NET). Although this market has traditionally been very small with CF Blue Dragon may expand it greatly. Jim Davis > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:28 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > There is another question in the whole Bluedragon debate. How many of us > would move our site(s) to a hosting company using BD instead of MM > ColdFusion? > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt > Webapper Services LLC > Web Site http://www.webapper.com > Blog http://www.webapper.net > > Webapper <Web Application Specialists> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:16 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > If your clients are small enough where the cost of CF is prohibitive > it > > > may be likely that the cost of managing an Intranet is also > prohibitive > > > (although they may be doing it anyway and have never done a cost > > > analysis). > > > > > I'll agree with that, but certainly the use of certain software e.g. > CF > > could be what tips the scale. If that is the case, then a cheaper > > implementation of CFML (BlueDragon) can certainly help in that regard. > > It definitely has an effect, but in most cases (and certainly not in > CF's case) the cost of software is very small compared to maintenance > and general infrastructure costs. > > Even managing a small, single Intranet server using free software can be > (often surprisingly) very costly once you do a full resource > map/prediction - especially when extended to the life of the server. > > All that being said every little bit does help. ;^) If software costs > are lower then you total project costs COULD definitely be lower (but > often aren't due to other factors not commonly taken into account). > > > > Many hosting companies are hosting their Intranet at "public" hosts > for > > > this reason. There are some hosts that do nothing but traditional > > > Intranet applications along with email (Exchange hosting, for > example, > > > is pretty common due to the cost and complexity of managing an > Exchange > > > server). > > > > > That may be, but there are serious issues with outsourcing internal IT > > resources externally that many of these companies may not be aware of. > > One example of this is that their WAN connection becomes a single > point > > of failure. Then of course there are legality issues related to giving > > non-employees access to sensitive data that aren't under specific > > consulting agreements, which is the case when your email is hosted by > a > > 3rd party. > > All true - this all depends, of course, on how much the company wants to > spend as well. If you want to get away more cheaply you'll be > sacrificing some things. A full "bullet-proof" system will always cost > more. > > > > No, consider an Intranet with is planned to contain, let's say, six > > > distinct applications (not at all uncommon). My case now is that > each > > > of these applications only has to save two hours of development time > > > due > > > to CF for it to be just as cost effective as a "free" solution. > > > > > Of course, the case with BlueDragon would only need to save one hour > > per application. > > True. I'm not arguing against Blue Dragon but rather the concept that > software costs (at this level) are major considerations. Too many times > I've heard "we can't afford CF" only to watch a company spends thousands > more pursuing an untried "free" solution. > > The problem here is almost always one of training and applicability. A > company that has great Linux/PostGres/PHP people will, of course, use > them. > But a company looking for a solution often gravitates to free software > due to cost concerns. > > Developers are then in the position of learning these tools as they > develop - which ends up costing far, far more in the long run than > setting up, for example, a Windows environment that they may have some > experience with. > > For a medium/large company this isn't a problem as the extra time can be > split with R&D/Training and down the road you do gain. But for the very > small company this often locks them into a money-pit; tying them into a > solution they don't know and resulting either in a failed project or one > that doesn't meet expectations. > > Many of them are roped in by contractors that claim they can "pick up" > something easily. My advice to small business is always stick with what > you know and always pay extra for gurus. > > Jim Davis > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
